Doc Rocket takes on America's Player
We have a lot of really terrific bloggers & commenters here at bb8dish, and this morning, one of them left an extremely well thought out assessment piece on Eric. I wanted to make sure everyone had a chance to see it, so I've moved it from the comments section to the main page.
From my end, I think Eric is an excellent player, as he proved last week after Amber's tirade and his miracle recovery. He does, however, fall far short of actually being "America's Player."
Below is what Doc Rocket had to say. As always, your comments are welcome.
Doc Rocket said...
My take on Eric and the new situation the Donatos are in:
Background: Let’s do a quick re-cap of the events that lead up to his troubles. Eric campaigned heavily for Nick’s eviction (before getting America’s instructions), and proceeded by not pushing Kail’s eviction (as per America), was trapped in a “hinky vote” that he had to deny and pushed suspicion off on Dick (who felt tightly aligned with Eric up until that point) and Dani. Don’t forget, Dick had Eric’s back and tried to pull him into the early stages of the LNC. Eric messed himself up and he made it worse when he told all of America that he was disappointed because we didn’t listen to his strategy! We are supposed to have the vote here Eric…not you, that is why you are OUR player! In addition, you would be pulling in the cash if you were completing our tasks!!!!!!!! A good AP would have waited for our word, pushed for Kail, voted her out, never been suspected, stayed aligned with Dick & the LNC and would be in a much better position today!
Moving forward: Eric is still whining to America about our choices…apparently he doesn’t get it. A good AP would have the thought (if only once) “Hmmm, I know America sees the DR and has a lot more info than I do, perhaps there is something to their MO…” But alas, he is all about his own individual game when in fact he hasn’t any since we control his vote.
I understand it is a tricky situation to be in but if he were sharp, he’d make it out of this just fine (with extra cash to boot don’t forget!).
Current Jam: Eric has an easy way out of his current jam, and if he had his head in OUR game he’d be onto it. Right now there is no guaranteeing Dustin’s safety. He already knows that America is after Dustin (by our request for his nomination) so he can safely assume that the vote will be the same. It would be clever of him to go to Dick and say this “Dick, I plan on voting to evict Dustin. I am not telling anyone as I do not want him manipulating the house and trashing me for the next few days. I am not in good standing with the house over recent accusations and I need to work my way back in. I am telling you in confidence that you have my vote to stay however; if you tell anyone (including Danielle) I will withdraw and vote you out. In return I would like immunity for one week, no nomination, no pawn if your side wins HOH. You cannot use my vote to campaign with, just discreetly know that you have it…you will have to win your other votes in whatever way you can. Remember, so much as one mention of this and whole deal is off.” This does two things; covers his tracks if Dick is evicted (because no-one will know he promised his vote) and aligns him with the greater numbers in the house if Dick stays. It may also get him through another week of not being nominated. He would most likely lose any good ties with Amber and Jameka, but I feel strongly that he would be able to gain Jess’ trust back…especially since Dick, Dani & Zach (which would be his new alliance) all like her and would nominate Amber and Jameka before her any day! This is his best course of action in my opinion.
Prediction: Eric is so stubborn and haughty that he will insist on playing his game instead of ours and will push for Dick’s eviction and we will have him vote out Dustin…and either one of two things will happen:
- Dick will be evicted and the “hinky” vote will be hanging in the wind once again…Eric will blame Zack or Jen (like a weasel). America will continue to grow weary of Eric’s blatant disregard for our say in the game and start making him a target.
- Dustin will be evicted and neither side will trust him as he campaigned so heavily for Dick to leave and (obviously) voted for him to stay. At which time he will follow his usual plan of denying his vote etc. and pointing the finger at any other HG he can think of…but something tells me it won’t work this time! Eric will be up the creak without a paddle.
So you see folks, in my opinion Eric’s only choice is to start actually playing the America’s Choice role and ditch his own personal game. He will have to be cleaver and cover his bases, but if he pays attention to our hints (not the other way around) he can set himself up just right and avoid all of the trouble he has gotten himself into up until now.
Everyone says Eric has incredible game. I have only seen sloppy mistakes followed by even sloppier ones… He is redeeming himself in my book, by doing his task and paying attention to our “choice”…I only hope he picks up his game a bit to match.
posted by CarolynBBDish @ 9:50 AM
71 Comments:
I want Doc Rocket to be America's Player! Great insight!
Of course this hangs on two things ...
One: That anything anyone tells Monster SmokeyFace would ever be held in confidence.
Two: That Eric hasn't already figured out that America isn't playing for him to win, but rather for the foolish whims of people who weep for some make-believe fantasy of star-crossed lovers and in the crass manipulation of people's emotions by throwing a father and daughter together.
Eric is right to so everything he can to stick it in y'all's collective eye and, while doing the bare minimum to fulfill his crippling tasks, play for himself to win and the rest of the world can suck on it.
Kudos to Doc Rocket for such a well thought-out piece.
Excellent post, Doc Rocket. My sentiments exactly.
I don't agree with "Doc Rocket". I think Eric has done a fine job as AP. He didn't want to be put in the position as AP. He wanted to go in the BB house & play the game his way.. but the producers assigned him as AP. Therefore I think for him playing the way he has being AP even though he didn't want to be... he is doing a fine job.
I agree with O'Neill. America isn't playing for Eric to win...so he needs to work in America's task while looking out for himself. Dick would never keep that information to himself in a million years! I'm tired of "americas whims". Think about it this way...why would he REALLY listen to people who sit at home and vote on a tv show?
Cliff O'Neill is there to speak my mind yet again.
I am glad you are always here to make sense of what I would have wanted to say.
kev, if you can write that without attacking people, i'd be very happy to publish your comment.
I think this was a very well-written and thought out post, but there is no way anything can be told to Dick in confidence. He has shown time after time in this game that the moment someone reveals anything detrimental to another player in this game, he will throw it in their face at the first opportunity provided! No way will he keep quiet about Eric voting for him, he will announce it to the world to further alienate Eric from the rest of the group thereby forcing Eric's hand or be shunned by both his old group and new alliance members. While it might be a good idea on paper, I think in reality or realityTV at least it would not work based on Dick's track record.
Anon & Courtney, thanks for the kind words. I really needed them.
Very Good Doc Rocket!! You put it all in great words.
However Cliff,
I see Eric winning easier if he does as he's asked by America.. it didn't start messing up for him until HE went off on his own.. He should remember he's there to play as America's Player.. Not for himself. He shouldn't play for himself while the rest of the world sucks on it.. as you said.. because he did sign on to do this show as America's Player. Not Eric. My opinion. :) But I do love reading your opinions as well.. and do agree on the part that we don't know if Dick will keep it in confidence... But if he wants to stay.. he should.
i think cliff-o, tldkjm make the points the way carolyn likes them made. i try to make similar points, but for some reason i keep calling people "ridiculous"
its what i get from lurking around the cbs boards.
that being said:
The world loves Dick, whereas he hates the world. And would call normal voters "mouth-breathers" or some other putdown. There is much irony here.
The world hates Eric, and he is slowly starting to realize that the voters are sabotaging him. The Jess silent treatment (i'm sure it made his tummy hurt for real) could give him the chance to make inroads with Zach and Jen, but what a pitiful twist America is making Eric explore.
again--sorry to be hateful earlier--i'll try to do better
ita. had Eric kept his mouth shut before each America's choice, he wouldn't find himself in this sh*t. unfortunatley, he is a loudmouth, obnoxious and arrogant, who 'taunts' America instead of listen, and use common sense. Napoleon Syndrome should i ask?
as for those who do not agree with the majority of America, too bad. you are outnumbered so get over it. you may not like the Donatos, but the majority of us do.
Eric is Americas Player and this is how we want him to play (at least what most want). This is the way we want him to vote and who we want him to vote for. HE is the one not playing for us. He's making it hard on himself.
He was added to the show to be AP and he needs to step up. If he did not want the job then he should have said pass. He is winning money as he goes along and if he played it our way then he might be in a better place right now.
I wish people would stop saying we are not playing for him to win, hes playing for us and thats what his job is.
Doc, great piece, but I have to agree with Cliff. "Smokey" will never keep a secret, if he would, your plan would have a chance.
And Cliff, thanks for representing the minority with your always creative and humourous, yet so true, comments! BRAVOOOOOO!
I vote to evict Dick!
Cliff.. for the record, I agree with you on point one. ED's history may well end up sinking him.
on point two, i disagree. He's on the show for one reason: When AGP offered him the spot, including the condition, and frankly hinging upon it, he agreed to be America's Player... to Play for America.
Ofcourse, he's ultimately there for himself, as well he should be, but the reason he made it past casting was this caveat.
We may not have elected him, but he is there as our representative, and I think the people's ire has actually very little to do with Eric and more to do with America in the past 7 years... just my opinion.
America's just fed up, and Eric pulled the short straw.
brittni.. wash your mouth out with soap. not on this board.
I disagree. Yes, Eric is AP but at the same time, America is not in the house 24/7 and doesn't always vote accordingly. It is also apparent that America is setting Eric up (most evident in him having to snub Jess, his most trusted ally in the house). Eric's two "scoldings", if you can call them that, to America were simply him saying, "Hey, if y'all are watching the show you will know that my placement in the house is like this and in order for us to continue playing together I need you to not jeopardize my position by making me vote certain ways."
What he needs to do is go to the DR and ask production if they can change the way this thing works because I'm not a fan of the AP process. Eric and Jess are my fave players and America's decision to play guinea pig with him like he's a Lemming isn't good.
Bravo! Very well worded and thought out. I completely agree that he will go down as the worst AP if ever we have another one...but probably not with at such a crappy job as Eric is doing!
Personally, I am a strong supporter of Eric and his game, and think conceptually AP is a terrible idea that is nothing but pandering for ratings on the part of CBS. It doesn't work and there is no way it could. America is not a cohesive group that communicates with each other, it's not one player. And to expect Eric to take clues from us is a tad rediculous. He gets a tiny amount of information from us and has to deal with the reality of being in the house. Besides, CBS set up the parameters and didn't orchestrate it so Eric was really our player, and must have his own game - that is not his fault.
I could write pages on this, but it's a waste of time. We will all have different opinions, which is exactly why AP doesn't work.
That said, this game is whatever CBS wants it to be, and whatever it is, it's facinating. I have no problem with the manipulation by CBS, AP, the planes, etc. (This is TV and TV is about making money, we need to put that aside or it looses its fun completely). This game is about working your way through the maze of human interaction. Whatever is dumped on you is part of it. The rules are that the rules change and you have to deal with it. That's why it's a metaphor for life and why it's brilliant (and disturbing).
Wash my mouth out with soap? Is it cause I called Zach an effin idiot for trying to think Jess would have more faith to him over the rest of her bunch? psh, please.
(but my apologies if thats what its for!!! I just get really into the game I guess :o))
America votes with emotions, not strategy. Eric's game is very much hindered by AP.
Also, we do not know who is voting. Is it feedsters who see mostly everything or the CBS viewers? They should have just let Eric be.
Doc Rocket's analysis looks good on paper, but that house is so dynamic that you can not predict how people will act or react.
Way to go Cliff on your initial response.
Well said Doc...you stole the words out of my mouth.
I truly believe that Eric is not taking the hints that we are throwing at him. If he played and took our hints then he would have succeeded and not become a target so early on.
I think the Jessica thing was wrong, BUT I think most voters were upset that he was not playing for us and used that vote to send him a clue. I just think if he worked with us, what America's vote is, then it might be easier for him.
Also, alot of people have the live feeds and read blogs like this wonderfull one and see things that Eric dosent see.
i agree with doc, except I have one more scenario....eric wises up and convinces atleast jess that their best option is dustin for one of them to win, and therefore he can be open about his hinky vote for dick, and whamber is easily persuaded she has even mentioned dusty had to go before now, so heres hopin. rallen
brittni - it was all the unfiltered f-bombs...
Eric is NOT supposed to be playing for himself that is why he is "americas player". I really cant wait til he leaves. He is not even fun to watch. CBS should have found some fun cute guy atleast he would have been nice to look at, instead I have to watch bucky beaver flirting with Jessica and playing his own game Not America's game.
For those who say Eric is playing a good game, No he isnt playing a good game. If Eric wasnt Americas player his game play would be just as bad as Dustin and Amber's game play!
On a different note.....
Jameka's hair weave looks nasty.
Touchy topic... frankly I'm choosing to root for whoever takes out Jam, Amb, Eric, and Dust. I don't want people with such foul, vile thoughts, words, and actions to win. But that's just me.
I wholeheartedly agree with Doc Rocket! Yes, Eric wanted to go into the house to play his own game, but that isn't what happened and that's not what his role is in this game. If he didn't want to do it, he should have declined. He's in there to play America's game. He shouldn't be pushing ANY agenda of his own until he has received his orders from America. However, somehow he thinks he knows more than us, which I blame on him being arrogant, and is spending more time backtracking and makine things up instead of being smart with his play.
He has the insight of America on who to target based on the full picture, not just what he is able to see in the house. He has SUCH an advantage over everyone else and he's not using it to his advantage in the house at all! Neither Dick nor Danielle have EVER won any of the AP nom/evict votes, so stop targeting them for crying outloud! America is telling you pointblank who to target.
I'm at the point where I would rather see Eric out of the game. He is doing America ZERO justice and we'd be better off if he weren't there, screwing up OUR game.
VERY NICELY PUT.
I don't know if Dick would be able to keep his mouth shut, but agree it would be in Eric's best interest to attempt it.
LOL Thought so! sorry Carolyn, it won't happen again... :) only in my head!
GREAT post Doc Rocket!
IMO Eric's best chance is to follow through and Evict Dustin this week (assuming that is what America will vote for tonight).
IMO Eric will get farther in the game with Dick than he will with Dustin. I believe that Eric would be the first to go out of the LNC because of the doubt that has already been placed upon him. If Dustin goes, Eric has a much better chance of redeeming himself in the house than he would have if Dick goes.
Great take on Eric Doc Rocket! I agree with a lot of what you said! Thanks for that on the main page. Great discussion.
I think Eric can make it to the final 2 or 3 if he listens to the clues given him. He can still follow America's wishes and his own to get him there. The house would decide in the end if he wins, not us.
I'm not an Eric fan at all. I just don't like him. Personal taste I guess.
The game seems to be rigged to keep him in as long as possible. With the DR people trying to convince the HG's to keep him, he is sure to be in til the near end.
My understanding is Eric agreed to all this. If America wants him to go a different way he needs to follow. The point of America's Player was to get viewers in the game...and higher ratings..if Eric makes "America" mad he is the one to suffer from it. He can play both sides, he just isn't trying.
I'd love to see him work both sides, it would make him and the game more interesting.
To hold the "title" America's Player per his contract he must try to complete the tasks given or he does not get paid. Seems easy to understand.
I feel Eric has not once thought before hand..."what will America say/want".. he just does not seem to plan for that little card. He should not open his mouth until he reads it. If asked by a HG before he gets the card, he could always answer with "let me have a little time to think it over".. not hard..
I'd like to see Eric really become the America's Player. I've seen a little glimmer of hope that he is changing that direction. He made efforts to talk with Dick and Danielle. He went back to his more normal self the last few nights. He tried talking with everyone. That's smart.
We shall see. But let's face it folks when you allow the viewers to vote you could end up with any result..have any of you heard of "the worsters". The worsters have in large numbers effected the outcome of vote shows. They generally enjoy voting for the worst contestant. Anything can happen.
America is a large country so diverse you could never be sure how its gonna come out. Eric has to know this. He seems smart he's watched these shows. He has to know if he doesn't follow America, he takes a large chance that America will bite back.
michelle<3 -
"On a different note... Jameka's hair weave looks nasty."
Jameka's still praying for a good one... =)
~Miquel~
On this comment of yours.. "Yes, Eric is AP but at the same time, America is not in the house 24/7 and doesn't always vote accordingly."
That is not true. America is in the house 24/7 if they have the live feeds and go to blogs such as this one. We, America, see more than Eric sees.
I don't get the Eric as a victim arguements. Besides the fact he has the chance to win more money than any other contestant, it seems the producers help him out in this game. Jen mentioned this last week. Endemol wants to make this intresting & keeping Eric in the game is to their benefit, as is keeping Dick & Danielle. Can you imagine the backlash if Eric was evicted last week after Amber's comments & her leading the push to evict Eric? Anti-semetic groups would have jumped all over that. He always seems to be on top of who is really targeting him/his position in the game. I don't think its too far fetched to believe that the producers give him information to help him in the game. Especially, when you hear the comments about Eric spending the most time in diary room. Before the game started, I wouldn't be suprised if Eric was allowed to read the psych evaluations for each contestant.
Speaking of psych tests, Amber said she was at first told she didn't make the cut. My guess is cbs was worried about her psych evaluation, endemol convinced them to put here in the house, like they did with players on the british version they produced. I feel bad for her because she is expecting a complete opposite reaction from the american public than she is going to get. I don't think mentally she can handle that.
PS: If Eric did not want to be America's Player he did not have to say yes. He did not have to sign the contract. He could have said no I have my own plan and want to play that way.
They came to Eric with the AP idea after he was chosen as a player. The AP thing was not a condition it was an opportunity.
He saw dollar signs and did what a lot of read blooded Americans would do. He said yes.
Everyone expresses many good points in their opinions, but they may not matter to the game after what Dick revealed last night in the BY to Danielle. After some thought, he has decided that his best chance to stay in the house is to talk to Eric and see if he can convince him and Jessica to get back into a four person alliance again - the alliance being Dick, Danielle, Eric, and Jessica. Zach will fit in there somewhere as a silent member of the alliance. If Eric remembers that America wanted Dustin on the block and assumes that America will also vote to have him evicted when Dick approaches him today, then he would be wise to take the deal if Jessica agrees - at least for this week. That would keep him out of hot water for the week. Of course, if the vote becomes a tie, then Jessica would be the one in the hot seat since she would have to stand before the HG's and vote to evict Dustin. So Jessica may think of this and resist. So many scenarios!...
If Eric continues to play the game the way he has been with an alliance with Dick and Danielle, then D&D's 'side' of the alliance would be winning HOH's and taking the heat for voting out Amber or Jameka, thus dwindling the voting power from that side of the house. And all-the-while Eric comes out smelling like a rose because no one is any the wiser - yet... So if he re-thinks his strategy, Eric HAS to know that if he aligns himself with Dick now and ends up in final two with him, he could very well win the game. But that's the stickler right there - THINKING it through...
We will see soon enough!
did i miss something? what has eric NOT done that he was supposed to do as AP? (that's a sincere question - i'm not an eric fan by any means)
tuesday-thursday is peak "game" time in the house every week...
i'm hearin' julie say "by a vote of 5-1, dustin you have been evicted from the house."
and we will have jess, amber & eric/AP to thank.
scout
reporter x.. i respectfully disagree. had he said no, he would have become ineligible to play, as he would have known about the twist.
i believe he and a select group of highly intelligent reality fiends were chosen as prospective APs - and he made the cut and said yes.
It was a well thought out piece but I could never trust Dick with that bit of information. He could use it against him down the line; especially with Eric's closest ally, Jessica.
Better to play it like he is and try to work it out in the end.
He should be trying to let Jess know more about his concerns with Dustin so that his vote, if discovered won't be a huge surprise.
Carolyn - you are probably correct there my friend.
He would have been cut if he knew and said no...they would not be able to use that twist.
Hmmm..I swore his family made a comment that he was chosen then the AP thing was mentioned after.
My bad..LOL
I couldn't agree more!!!!!! Very well put.
On another note, even if ED does get the boot tonight I would bet anything he will be voted back in by America when they do AC.
yes, I think there was a differant group of people up for Americas Player. They knew what they were going in the house for. Then BB picked who they wanted. Just what I think. :)
yeah, his family was kept in the dark.
Where Eric stands on tasks:
Tasks Failed: 5
Tasks Completed: 7
Tasks TBA (To Be Announced). Because of contradicting evidence for both sides, the results are not known since it has not been officially announced.: 4
Money Accumulated: $10,000
This about right?
Doc, I see only one flaw in your logic. You said in your commentary regarding what Eric needs to do;
"It would be clever of him to go to Dick and say this “Dick, I plan on voting to evict Dustin. I am not telling anyone as I do not want him manipulating the house and trashing me for the next few days. I am not in good standing with the house over recent accusations and I need to work my way back in. I am telling you in confidence that you have my vote to stay however; if you tell anyone (including Danielle) I will withdraw and vote you out. In return I would like immunity for one week, no nomination, no pawn if your side wins HOH. You cannot use my vote to campaign with, just discreetly know that you have it…you will have to win your other votes in whatever way you can. Remember, so much as one mention of this and whole deal is off.”
Doc, do you think for one second that Dick wouldnn't turn around, and use this info to make Eric look bad, either way? I mean, Christ man, how many times in this game has Daddy Donato called someone out over their words or actions? How would this be any different?
CLIFF:
You misjudge and severely underestimate the mental capacity of those who favor the Donatos. Speaking for myself, I could not care less about Danielle's earlier dilemma w/ her feelings for a player no longer in the game. (I didn't care about it when he was /in/ the game either, except for how the emotions involved might effect everyone's strategy and game play.)
I also do not play marionette for the, as you say, "crass manipulation of people's emotions". I think that is rather condescending.
The truth is simple. I like Dick. *snicker*
Do I always like or agree with his intimidation tactics? No. I never agree with all of anyone's choices made or actions taken on these games. There are things every player, of this particular season, have done that I did not like.
The difference is, I have always (and still do) liked Dick, as a person. I prefer those who speak their mind, those who know who they are, and those that do not role play or put on a facade, always remaining true to themselves. I see Dick as someone who encompasses all of these attributes. He is someone I could actually get on with in real life and is, therefore, most relatable, for me.
---I find the other players to be either repugnant, trivial , or boring... sometimes all three wrapped up in one nauseating package.---
You make it obvious that you are routing for Eric. That is fine. I do not think you unintelligent or manipulated... I just strongly disagree. I find him endlessly irritating and annoying. He grates on my nerves.
I liked him in the beginning, until I saw his reaction to D&D /figuring out/ that he (Eric) was shady and casting the off votes. Instead of being humble about it (in the DR- admitting "oh crap, they're on to me") and strategizing about how to spin it and get the heat off himself, he actually got haughty and pissed off about someone suspecting him /for something he had, in fact, done/.
I could understand this as a strategic move to do publicly with other players, in the game, but to genuinely get mad and masturbate his own pride and ego in the DR, to America, when he (AND WE) /knew/, for a fact, that they were right, was both irritating and a little laughable.
But the thing that really has me routing against him is his alignment with the god squad. These people make my skin crawl. If he broke away from that, I would not be so against him.
I want that whole group wiped out.
I think you'd do better to not dismiss those whose opinions differ from your own as mindless, easily influenced idiots.
~Natalie
I agree with Doc Rocket's opinion 100%!!!!
I laugh when people say but it isn't fair to Eric to be AP.
Duh BB told him from the get go. If Eric wanted to be in the BB this season he had to be AP. So it was Eric's choice to accept or decline.
Deb in NY
In all likelihood, the producers didn't "make" Eric go into the house as AP. The way they sold it to him, I'm sure he thought it was a good idea.
Who wouldn't?
If you're a competent HG, you'd be able to utilize the aid of the viewers, who get to see more of what's happening in the house than you do. Plus, by going along with what they want, elevate your status/popularity as a player in the game with the TV audience.
By handling it the way he has, he's shown that he often overplays and is very sloppy, which is probably the way he'd play if he wasn't AP. It doesn't help that he's got a very shifty set of eyes, nervous ticks/laugh, and a transparent manner of communicating. I've never seen anyone in this house (Josh included) who is so obviously full of shit. Yet the others are so idiotic, that they're completely oblivious to it (well, except for D&D who had him dead to rights last week).
He could have sat back, taken his cues from America and coasted to the end. Instead he came out, played way too hard, started pitting everyone against each other, and got caught in some binds when he went against the directives he was given by AP voters. He is by no means, the greatest house guest that ever stepped into the BB compound, regardless of his AP difficulties.
As for his current jam? He benefits in no way by keeping Dustin in the house. For one, he gets closer to another $10K if he gets Dustin ejected per our wishes. He also starts to gain the trust of the AP voters, who will in turn go back to aiding his plan in the game instead of purposely hindering it. He rids the house of another persuasive voice that could counter his own. He'll also break up the only solid triumvirate (Dus/Jam/Amb), making it a game of solid pairs and singles.
Eric, at the very least, is a fairly intelligent guy. He knows we view that side as the Nerd Herd. He knows we hate Dustin. Why would he NOT take those cues, evict Dustin, and go with the other side of the house? Why? Because he's already shown that he has little regard for what we'd like him to do. And in going against us once again, he's going to find out that the AP tasks are just going to get even further in the way of "his game" which is supposed to be, in some manner, "our game".
If he's the "great player" some are making him out to be, he'll see the writing on the wall and make it work to his advantage. The path he should go down, which would strengthen his position and increase his chances of a win, would be to take Jess and align with D & D. The remaining four will not unite to counter them and it leaves him the opportunity to take either Dick or Daniele to the final if he wants the win (he won't against Jess).
I have little confidence in his abilities as a strategist, so I imagine Dustin will stay and he'll try to play off the vote again, like a moron.
Doc-
I mostly agree with your analysis and suggested strategy... BUT for it to work, Dick could /not/ keep it silent.
Zach has repeatedly said he must have confirmation of a vote from the other side to give Dick his own. If Eric voted to keep Dick, without Zach knowing he would do so, Z would vote to boot Dick anyway... resulting in a tie. (Assuming, of course, that Jen will be voting to keep Dick.)
Jessica would most likely choose to evict Dick. She or Zach /have/ to be in on it.
~Natalie
I clearly remember the very first day of BB8......Eric said "I hope there isnt bible reading people in the house" and now those are his best friends...
Thanks to Natalie. Not many of us would expend the effort to encourage CON to be less "Dustinlike" in his comments nor could we do it so eloquently.
Mercy
America has already turned their back on Eric by making him do the exact opposite of things that he should on purpose. Trying to screw with his game. At this point Eric should play for himself and do the most minimalist things he can for America.
Eric is screwed either way with the way this vote goes. I actually feel sorry for the position that the voting public is putting him in with nominating Dustin, ignoring Jess, and probably evicting Dustin.
What a great Post Doc Rocket! I am a 100% Fan of Eric. And I have definately spent my fair share of time debating on why I think so!
I give eric props for having to deal with the pressures of being AP! I would have no idea in how to cope with that. When you are having to vote the opposite way as to who you are aligned with. It is not easy. And yes, it should be america's choice as to who he votes to evict, but I would hope that america would also keep in mind Eric's safety and place in the game!
Last week with the Banner starting everything. I was glad eric kept denying that he casted the votes, b/c he didnt, so "technically" he isnt telling the HG a lie! But what I dont like about that situation is that he says no and then is quick to blame someone else, that is where he should keep his mouth shut!
I also agree with everyone about the whole Dick situation...Doc has a good plan, but I never seeing being implimented in the same exact way! I wanted so much for eric to have a safe week this week! But i dont see that happening.
So...Im pleading this...That after tonight's show, vote for Eric to evict Dick, it will only help him in this game! But, I dont know. If its looking like everyone is thinking about evicting Dustin, then go that way. But i dont see that happening. The LNC "Nerd Herd" is stupid for having put up someone from their own side! I would NEVER! not when you have other choices. That's enough from me!
I think Eric should be able to do what he wants because everyone votes to keep their favorites not because they can help Eric but because they like them. It is just another popularity contest and I hope they never bring back AP because we already have enough popularity contest w/ AI, DWTS & SYTYCD. Anytime America has a say it is about popularity, CBS should just leave it to the players in the game.
Kent
Not in a million years. I love Dick, cant stand Dustin. Eric is "America's Player". Majority dislike Dustin over Dick. I would never vote to evict someone just because Eric doesnt like them.
VOTE DUSTIN OUT!
I think if Eric were to be playing for himself only and not as AP he'd in a much better position right now. He wouldn't have half the problems he has going on now. I don't think there should ever be an America's Player ever again because America is just trying to ruin his game constantly. Take for instance having him ignore Jessica. Who does that??? Jessica is the main alliance he's got going there. Whoever thought that was funny is a complete idiot and is not playing the game for America to win.
I am so put off Eric especially when he said Dani will be pregnant with her dad's baby by Fall, him and Dustin are disgusting even starting that. I know Dick has had his moments but Dust and Dick are nasty. I'M STILL MAD AGAIN THIS SEASON AS IN LAST SEASON THAT THEY STILL SAY AMERICA'S CHOICE/AMERCIA'S VOTE AND WISH THEY WOULD CHANGE IT TO AMERCIA & CANADA'S VOTE BECAUSE US IN CANADA HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE VOTING FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS NOW. Anyway have a great day everyone and lol Eric just streaked in the yard and I'm glad I missed it lmao.
Doc Rocket I couldn't agree more
Of course, I must respond to Natalie's comment above.
I didn't mean to imply that all those that are rooting for D&D are easily manipulated fools. (I routinely see posts here that, while coming to completely different conclusions than mine, I find well-thought-out and heartfelt.)
And you did correctly gather that I do indeed feel that many are. That's how I feel. If comes off as condescending, then I guess it is. I'm comfortable with that.
As for Dick. I find that his being "real" is no defense for the things that he has done which I find wholly unforgivable and I view him as beneath contempt. No amount of talking will ever get me to feel otherwise. I now only wish him the worst in this game and in life beyond. If that makes me cruel or vindictive, I guess I am. I detest bullies and he is their poster child.
As I've said before, I find the fact that I hate Dick so much to be rather off-putting in that I feel I do have certain specific things in common with the man.
As for rooting for Eric, on that I am of two minds. Were he playing for himself without the ridiculous baggage of being told to routinely do things that are not in his own best interest, I would probably be cheering him on to the end. Insofar as a player I like is carrying out actions and making votes with which I (and clearly he) disagree, I'd probably rather he leave sooner rather than later. Just to stick it to the voters, not to get him out.
We'll agree to disagree on Eric's irritation factor. I find him tremendously amusing (when he isn't in panic mode). Panic never looks good on anybody.
As for him lining up with the "god squad," I am more than ready for Amber to hit the road and have Jameka following her out moments later. We agree here.
I think I could come to worship Jessica in time.
And as for Dustin, my kidding about his royal lineage aside, he's providing the show with the woefully tired "wicked queen" villain role. Where others find that/him endlessly hateable, I'm bothered on a whole other level which doesn't really have much to do with him. He could stay or go and I couldn't care less. Up against Dick, though, for this vote, he is the archetype of all that is good and right and just in the world. Next week he can be a goat.
But back to Eric ...
If he makes it to the end with this monkey still on his back, I think he deserves not only the prize, but may need to run for President since he can pull off stuff that no one else ever could.
Granted everything that was written has a point. But 1. is easy to say when your not in there...granted America gives him orders but he has to live with these people it's not as easy at it seems. I think part of the problem is Eric thinks America is going to vote one way and it does happen.
ALSO I don't think "America" is algin because if we did a comparison of people who just watch the show to video feed people and bloggers - We would have two different results....America wants DICK gone plain and simple but feeds and bloggers don't and thats who votes the most.
i'm loving this thread. you guys rock.
Cliff:
I always appreciate other people's opinions. This world is a beautiful montage full of different colors and timbres. I don’t believe anyone to be a monster…not even Amber whose anti-semitic and gay bashing comments sincerely offended my sensibilities (which was far worse than any of Dick’s rants in my opinion).
There is something sincere in our psyche that pushes us to like certain characters and dislike others. This is the reason why we feel personally compelled to cheer our favorites on. I understand the appeal that each of the BB8 characters have. Each character represents a different story to each of us depending on our perceptions and experiences.
I applaud your dedication to Dustin and Eric and hope that you can understand that those of us who are cheering for Dick are guided by our own experiences and preferences…and that without those differences, there wouldn’t be anything for us all to chat about ;)
As for the rest of the world…may you all watch BB8 tonight and enjoy this fantastic Blog where all points of view are celebrated by its creators and readers alike.
Oh yeah…and about the multiple comments regarding Dicks inability to keep him mouth shut…I think that perhaps, if it meant he would be staying in the house and under the conditions that I mentioned (that if Dick told anyone, Eric would say he is going to vote to evict him) he just might keep his lips shut on the matter. Of course with Dick it is always a crap shoot…but a worthy try in Eric’s case since the alternative is likely to do more damage.
Thanks for posting my comment Carolyn, and for all of the dedication you have to this fantastic blog!
Cheers!
Cliff O'neill, You're a genius. I agree with everything you have stated. You need to be a player on Big Brother. I could have not said it better.
CLIFF O'NEILL FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!
My only objection is, Jessica is smoking HOT and I want her to win on that basis alone.
Doc..........I hear ya, you nailed it on the head 100%.
Natalie......thumbs up for voicing what a good majority of us feel.
Doc, you rock.
Mike, you've made a pretty rotten day for me really good.
And, I know how you feel. I want Jen to win for the same reason. I know that makes me shallow, but that girl is all of my top five.
"Number One? Jen. Um, Number Two? ... uh, Jen. Numbers Three through Five? Jen."
Well, I could make room for Jess in there somewhere. ;-)
Boo Doc Rocket.
I still hate the fact that so many people assume we should have complete and total control over Eric. That's not fair. Eric should be allowed to make some of his own decisions.
And the constant commentary that Eric doesn't do what America tells him to do is still flat out wrong. Did he not campaign against Kail? Yep. But really... that's about it. He's gone after every other task we've given him with gusto.
People don't seem to realize that Eric gets his voting orders on Tuesday and up until that point he had no idea what America thought of Nick. That's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and most of Tuesday that Eric has to do his own thing. Sure this week it's easier because they told him to nominate Dustin and Dustin is now on the block. But it isn't always like that.
Eric should be allowed to be Eric sometimes. I don't know about anyone else but when Eric says in the DR that he wishes America would follow his wishes more that makes me want to follow his wishes more. As America's Player I want to see him win. So if he wants me to do something I'll do it. GO ERIC!
This is a great post and I agree with Doc on ALMOST everything. the problem lies in the idea of the deal with Dick, and here's why:
A.) (As Mike M. said) There is no telling Dick anything in confidence. The man literally gets eaten alive from the inside with every piece of information he is given!! He can't help but spill the beans!
B.) I don't think it should be in confidence, anyway, because unless Dick can tell Zach and Jen that he has the "fourth vote", they will not take the chance of throwing their votes away and pissing off the rest of the house.
If I were Eric (easy to say when you're not in the house, I know!) I would absolutely commit my vote to Dick and Dani, knowing that America will force me to vote out Dustin, then turn around and tell Zack and Jen the same, because they would love to "get over" on the LNC/NH/TH, without feeling the "need" to give them the heads up, as the NH always do...keep your votes to yourself when planning a surprise eviction, people!!
Eric pushed his own agenda while being "America's player". He had full knowledge of what America wanted in the beginning and, if you recall, Americas opinion of what Eric should do was in tune with what the big brother house wanted. Nominate Kail/Jen. Evict Kail. - etc etc.
However, even with this information, Eric pushed his own agenda knowing full well he could not control his own vote. Ultimately, it is evident that swaying from the campaign America chose for him is hurting him in this game. America could have been his greatest ally but instead we've become his enemy.
In my dreams I imagine that Eric realizes America will vote for him to evict Dustin and that he tries his best to convince Jessica to align with Dick and Danielle to the final four for this week. Dick will do something Dick like, guaranteed; which will make it possible for Eric to back-petal and rescind his idea about them being in the final four together and have Jessica buy it. Hence he would save himself the embarrassment of another 'hinky' vote and keep the relationships he has in the house relatively strong. I bet he could even convince Amber that getting rid of Dustin is the best thing to do. The one thing Eric has going for him is that he is very persuasive.
However, I think my dream may never come to fruition. Zack and Jen do not want to align themselves with the losing side of the house and will vote to evict Dick on Thursday unless told otherwise by Jessica.
This very fact makes it extremely possible that Eric can get away with another hinky vote and come off it scott-free. Poor Zack.
I agree that he should be playing for america. But i dont agree that he should be voting out dustin this week.
see if he votes out dustin , he will definately be sent home... we dont want that. because obviously we wont have him later. but after we make him vote dick out, we can make him play the game our way. i know you dont want to play it his way but it is better if you do when it involves him being evicted. just think if he wins hoh we can ensure who he puts up is who we want. we can make him play our way but first we have to make him safe.and as far as i can tell you are doing a lousy job of it.
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