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Tuesday, August 21, 2007

After the House Meeting with Big Sister (AG)

Around 6pm BBT this evening, we learned that the Penalty Nomination Jen received last night was rescinded today. Instead, she will receive a Penalty vote.

Our understanding is that the Producers decided a penalty nomination for Jen would actually do more to hurt Jameka, as it would make Jen a lame duck nominee this week. Consequently the Penalty Nom issued last night was overridden today.

1:45pm BBT
Jess, Eric, Zach.. then Jen

Eric: Meanwhile, are they gonna debrief Amber and Daniele, or are we gonna tell them?

Enter Jen...

Eric: Whatever.. did she think someone was gonna defend her actions? Gimme a f'in break.
Jess: Why do you say that?
Jen: Whatever.. If I go to the jury house, I'll vote for Dick and Daniele, cuz they've played us all all summer.
Eric: Who the f cares!?!?!? Go to the jury house. Don't go to the jury house. Vote for whoever you want. You're not gonna sit here and threaten the three of us.

1:54pm BBT
Jameka passes through the kitchen - fresh out of the DR...
Jameka: They said, if anyone wants to talk to them, now's the time...
Eric: Now's the time.

Dick: WTF is she doing here? WTF is the point?
Eric: She's making a mockery of the whole game.
: F'ing baby.
Eric: She's a sore loser.
Dick: But you made a very valid point...
    ***which I couldn't hear over Jameka's praying. Sorry.

Dick: Jameka's furious.
Jess: Jameka ought to go ahead and eat.
Eric: Like any of us would hold it against her...
    ***Jameka's praying on the couch, making it difficult to hear them.

FYI - Amber & Daniele have yet to return from their outing. What a difference a day makes!

2:07pm BBT
Dick & Jess
Dick: The only difference after the meeting is Jen will be voted out 6-0 instead of 5-0.
    ***Does BB get a vote?
Dick: If they hadn't done it this way, Jameka would've had a huge target on her, because there would have been no point of keeping her, since we could just get Jen out next week.

5pm BBT
After a couple hours of goofing around in the pool, the HGs are all having an afternoon nap. It's tiring work in there... all that scheming and plotting. Big Brother is systematically waking them one by one to come in for Diary Room sessions. Eric is the latest...

Daniele and Amber are still out of the house on their outing. Things will no doubt fire back up upon their return, if not sooner.

What an insane day!

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Anonymous MoNYC said...

Sounds like she got off with a warning?

1:57 PM  
Anonymous Lissy said...

I know this is a game, but I really think Jen crossed the line. I think one of the people who should be most upset is Jameka.

I don't think getting off with a warning is harsh enough sorry. I think she should just be gone.

2:02 PM  
Blogger 3maybe1more said...

Ugh! Jen is not on slop because she lost the weekly competition - she is on slop because she wagered it for the POV. If she would have not opted to eat slop for the amount of time she did, she would have lost the POV and the whole game would have been different. Kail would have won and taken herself off the block. I don't get how she can just get off with a warning!

BB is my drug and I can't stay away! I have a feeling I won't be finishing my work day! :)

2:06 PM  
Anonymous deejval said...

What is AG?

2:13 PM  
Blogger Stephen said...

I completely agree. Had she eaten something because she was on slop because of the competition loss it should still be punished but since she won a veto because she opted to go on slop for as long as she is, the punishment should be much more stringent... it changed the whole outcome of the game!

2:15 PM  
Blogger Stacie said...

GOTTA LOVE THIS! Seriously, can they MAKE better tv? I can't wait to see how much of this is aired!

2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i got a new SHIRT idea for Jen:

"I got a JEN-alty nomination"
"JEN-alty nominee"


2:21 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

AG=Allison Grodner, the Executive Producer.

2:21 PM  
Blogger Cindy said...

I wonder if any of this will be discussed on tonight's show? They are sure making sure that we don't really know what was said or what went on. I also wonder if the outing will be discussed tonight. I know the show is not live tonight, but some of this stuff has to be mentioned, wouldn't ya think?

2:25 PM  
Anonymous MoNYC said...

Jenius, Annette, pure Jenius!

2:29 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

the poor schlubs (who, like me, have to do all the grunt work to make "talent" look good) are gonna be bustin their butts to edit this all together in time...

or will they save these shenanigans for the Thursday live show? probably

i'm thinking tonites show will be veto-centric, might not even touch the Jen and Dick show.

but After Dark is gonna be EXPLOSIVE.. when do Amber adn Dani get back? back already?

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Meemma said...

The way I see it is that no one in that house, and I mean no one brings integrity into the house. On the outside in their real lives maybe they have some and maybe they don't(think Kaysar and Jennifer's deal). We'll never truly know.

My point is this: The whole point of the game show is to lie, deceive,trust, mistrust, align, realign and use tactics to get to the next phase of the game.

Jen is breaking some rules. She's wrong for that, but people do it everyday in real life too. Doesn't make it right or that I necessarily agree with it, but it happens.

Dick has crossed personal boundries as well. I think the constant verbal abuse can become difficult for anyone to handle. People sue other people for the things he's said and done or even for much less.

No, the game isn't "real life" nor are the circumstances, but seriously, Richard has been a real di*k to the girl from the start as well as to the rest of the women in the house. If his only strategy is to harass and bully people into getting what he wants, then he's not a very strategic player IMO.

Jen's behavior=wrong
Dick's behavior=wrong
BB's behavior=the internet is on fire and they love it.

2:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank you monyc!

2:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like Jameka may not be on the block anymore (the 6th vote??)

2:33 PM  
Anonymous Meemma said...

Carolyn and everyone, have you seen this? I had no idea he said this stuff.

OMG! Reprehensible!!

"Danielle and Dick talk in the bedroom, gloating and rejoicing, and I bet he's so happy, he could just go beat the shit out of a guy he found too "princessy." Or kill a woman and rape her corpse, as he recently "joked" about doing to the departed Carol on the live feeds. Dick has, as you may or may not know, made graphic references to raping both Jen and Dustin, none of which CBS is really in a position to show, which is the irony of his behavior -- the more outrageous it is, the more they can't even really convey it on a network show even if they want to. Even with bleeping, even if they were desperate to bust him, they can't include enough information in an 8:00 prime-time show to make it clear that a guy is getting his kicks fantasizing out loud about raping a woman until she bleeds to death. Everyone who has noted that this problematic paradox of "the worse you are, the less they can show it" has kept him looking more like a silly rebel and less like a psycho is absolutely right. I don't think this stuff is omitted from the broadcast because anyone likes him; I think this stuff is left out because anal rape is not the stuff of prime-time diverting summer TV. CBS doesn't want to fill its 8:00 hour with violent rants. And if you leave out everything he says and does that's way off of the FCC's permissible grid, there's not much left other than his whining about wanting things to be better with Daniele."

The site is

2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6th vote.. maybe a penalty vote? So atleast there's one vote against Jen come Thursday?


2:39 PM  
Anonymous Bequi said...

If Jam isn't on the block that is kind of dumb, because she was put there by the HG's. Doesn't make sense, but I guess CBS has never had a situation like this before and they probably don't even know what to do at this point. I say just throw this to a double elim. week and get them both out Thurs. Just my opinion...

2:39 PM  
Blogger Stephen said...

Meema- Very well said... :-)

2:41 PM  
Blogger kevin said...

meemma- you nailed it! @ netz buzzin-they love it!

trainwreck TV-we love it

don't blame her, it's Jenetic!

at least she's Jenuine

you can tell she hates it when ED pollutes her oxyJen

too much!

2:42 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

I'm running away for 90 minutes! :)
I haven't had my ride yet today... I think this is good timing.. I hope... I'll be back to publish comments around 4pm BBT.

2:43 PM  
Blogger Stephen said...

Jeez... a penalty vote seems a little easy don't you think? She is going home anyways. I guess if for some miracle of all miracles she is able to get votes in her way she has that extra vote against her... still... can't they come up with a punishment that is more appropriate? Like make her pay the 250,000 she gave up in the veto... haha.

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Just curious, with all the drama going on in the house...Is Jen still eating what she wants, and disregarding the rules today?

2:51 PM  
Anonymous meemma said...

Kevin-thanks and those are great. Hilarious!

2:55 PM  
Blogger Heidi Petrelli said...

What the heck is going on now?
I leave for a few hours and BB gets even more crazy!

3:00 PM  
Anonymous joann said...

Gosh, I feel so bad for Jen. Big Brother is a social experiment and it is expected for people to be on edge. Imagine your world being closed off and live with people who hates you...I would go crazy too! With all the herendous Jen remarks from Dick, being nominated 4th week in a row, all the talking behind her back, and not having a decent meal, I am surprised that it took her this long to rebel. I liked Jessica but to tell people not to talk to her, but instead punch Jen in the face is horrible (even if she was jk). I believe recent events has occured becuase they have been permitting Dick's actions...since week 1! He has verbally abused Jen, Kail, Jameka, Amber, Dustin, and Eric and the HG's didn't take any initiative mature actions. So now Jen has had it, put on edge, and caused her to rebel. And due to that, she is verbally attacked by Dick and other HG are siding with him (including those who were also verbally attacked by Dick). I don't get these people. If I were there I would have a mature talk with Jen and discuss the situation, instead of "Let's not talk to Jen the whole time she is here, instead let's punch her in the face".

3:01 PM  
Anonymous bryn said...

best case scenario

this week Nom: Jen and Jam
AP vote: Jam
eric convinces Jess and Zack to vote off Jam
Evicted: JAMEKA

next week HoH: Amber
Nom: Dani and Jen
POV: Dani
Nom: Dick and Jen
AP Vote: Dick
Eric convinces zack and jess to vote off Dick
Evicted: DICK

2 weeks from now HOH: Jen
Nom: Eric and Dani
POV: Jen
No AP vote
Evicted: DANI

Jen Eric Zach and Jess Final 4!
(Wishful THinking!)

3:09 PM  
Blogger Heidi Petrelli said...

I forget-but wasn't it Denmark where 11 houseguests walked out of the house at the same time?
Eric said something about being threatened? What is that about?

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Tyler said...

hey carolyn ...i hope you read this...umm. i may have missed something...or none of us may know what is going on..but can you explain what is going on with the whole jen situation. I am confused on what her punishment was...what the 6-0 vote is now.. and why was dick like "if they hadnt had done this jameka would have had a huge target on her back"..... what did bb/ag do?


3:22 PM  
Anonymous kels said...

lmao @ kevin.

Jenerally speaking.. youz a funny bitch.


3:25 PM  
Anonymous lauren gee said...

yeah i'm sorry but i really really really don't see what the big deal with her eating non slop is. they make rules, she broke them, there is a penalty if it happens. why is everyone acting like OMG what do we do???

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

even though i think that Jen should get more then a penalty nom. i think that the other house guest should use this oppuruntiy to get Jameka out and get Jen out next week

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I understand, there's nothing in the rule book saying you can not say mean things to people, no matter how mean.

Thats the whole point. They're in a house with stranger locked away.. this game is all psychological! Why do you think they need to take and PASS a psych evaluation? To know they can deal with stuff like Dick is doing.

But for Jen to destroy personal property and eat food other then slop is completely against the rules!!

Dicks only hiding her stuff. If BB said that was a no-no they could do a "lockdown" and remove her stuff from where he put it. And he wouldn't have put it there in the first place has she not done something to his smokes!

And for her to eat food while on slop... how is that fair to Jam and Amber who are on slop and will not break the rules? What about everyone in the past who's had slop, they all followed the rules as well..

But Jen is getting away with this cause? She's a "pretty" face? Pretty will only get someone so far in life. She needs a reality check.

And I dont care who says "oh smokings bad she did him a favor." Who cares its HIS choice to smoke, why should she feel her feeling can overrule that?


4:04 PM  
Anonymous Angie said...

Personally, I gained a lot of respect for Jam last night when all the "ruckus" was going on. I thought her behaviour was the most mature. And, although she was angry and visibly worried about what this would do to the eviction voting, while everyone else sat in the Back yard reliving it and joking about it--she washed the dishes. Gotta give the girl her props for that.

4:08 PM  
Anonymous Angie said...

I totally agree. The difference between what Dick's been doing and what Jen is now doing--she's BLATTENLY "in your face" breaking the rules of the game. I think she should just be kicked out.

4:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason why this is not just cheating by eating food while others are still on slop is because of the reason she's on slop to begin with. She gambled her slop days for the POV comp - which she ended up winning and ended up taking herself off the block. Now, if they knew that going into the POV comp - that if she were to cheat and eat and their punishment is only having one vote against them IF they were on the block - that would have made the gamble different for all comp players. But her gamble kept her in the comp which she ended up winning. I believe that is why the HGs are upset by her not taking the eating slop thing much more seriously.
Joann - You are correct that this is a social "test" but then wouldn't you, in Jen's position, everyone does not like you, wouldn't you try to be friends and try your best to get along with others. She hasn't made an effort to get along with anyone. As they've all said at one time or another she's annoying, she is self-centered, self-absorbed. Remember her crying over her picture ? Remember her HOH room - taking the pic down with her gma in it - did she not realize that would hurt her gma's feelings - she doesn't care, it's all about Jen. I agree, it's got to be hard for her to be in this situation, but she signed up for it, she definitely knew what she was getting herself into and she already threw away 1/2 the prize money - what was she thinking ? She's not thinking. If she were to think, she'd be able to step back and do things to make friends with people instead of pushing them away. Do you think it's interesting how Jessica can call Dick a baby, call him stupid, make fun of him, etc. and he just giggles with her. Jess knows how to make friends and when to keep her mouth shut. Jen can take some lessons from Jess.

4:17 PM  
Blogger erin said...

I wonder if when ED said it would be 6-0 instead of 5-0 if jen gets a penalty vote

4:24 PM  
Anonymous Artqueen5 said...

Maybe Big Brother is allowing all the house guests to vote if Jenn goes or stays...meaning Jam is taken off the block and its up to all of them to vote on her fate?

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

angie ~ i'm glad i'm not the only one. she should be kicked out... atleast Dick is following the rules!


4:42 PM  
Blogger Evel Girl said...

ARRRGHHH! Stupid wisdom tooth! I knew I was gonna miss something good. I haven't checked in since yesterday afternoon. As far as Jen goes I think this is what happens when your body doesn't get real food. I would snap too if I was on slop for so long. I have had to eat soft food (yuck) for a week and I am about to go nuts.

4:43 PM  
Anonymous MoNYC said...

I don't think she should be in the running anymore for the prize. Her disrespect for the 30-day slop obligation that won her the POV and the stay in the house should forfeit the game for her.

4:47 PM  
Blogger Stephen said...

Did anyone catch last night on the feeds where Jessica said how she understood the penality nomination was that 3 people are on the block... the pen nom person plus 2 people of the HOHs choice? Does anyone know if she is right? This is so weird because its never happened before!

4:47 PM  
Blogger Jessica P. said...

It really irritates me everytime I turn on the feeds and see Jen walking around eating (which seems to be all she does now) with that smirk on her face because she is being allowed to do whatever she wants to do. It's not right that she isn't sent out of there immediately. I feel that by her breaking this game-altering rule, she should be evicted immediately and not be allowed to stay in the game til the eviction night. It's not fair to the houseguests who actually follow the rules. She is the worst loser I have ever seen on the show. She's too immature and she needs to go live with Dustin and they can drive each other crazy for the next few weeks.

4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bryn, LUV your scenario. I'll keep my fingers crossed!

That is as long as Eric or Jess wins!

5:04 PM  
Anonymous idespiserichard said...

I think jen eating in front of jam sucks and she should be gone because of it.

That said, I dont blame her for anything else.

If richard used the language and physical intimidation against the wifes, gfs or daughters that hes used against the women in the house im sure any male and a lot of the women on this site would respond accordingly.

Maybe im old 57, but the people i know dont talk like that and we're no angels.

If he threw the C word around most of the women i know like he does in the house thres a good chance he might be bobited.

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Deb said...

I'm not questioning the poster of the info on televisionwithoutpity but I hope someone with live feeds can answer this question. Does anyone behind televisionwithoutpity have any more access to the live feeds than anyone else? If not, then why can they say this stuff yet we haven't heard about it here? (I LOVE this site and appreciate Carolyn for keeping us updated and I trust her to update us completely.) IF they do have more access to the behind the scenes action than any of you with live feeds, then does anyone know why?

I really like Dick and if what they say is true I'm just torn between being heartbroken and totally disgusted.

Gosh Carolyn, I hope after you've enjoyed your run you can answer this......and thank you for all your hard work.

D in WA.....this is my first season of watching BB and man can I see how addicting it can be. I'm almost glad now that I can't get the live feeds because of my older computer system :-)

5:33 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

"Does anyone have any more access to the live feeds than anyone else?"
Absolutely not.

"If not, then why can they say this stuff yet we haven't heard about it here?"
Whoever the original poster was clearly has very bad feelings towards Dick & Daniele, and will try to convince others to their opinion by any means necessary.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous Deb said...

Ohhhhh PHEW!! Thanks so much Carolyn for clearing the tvwithoutpity thing up for me. I don't agree with all of Dick's shenanigans but the rape thing would have pushed me over the edge so I appreciate you answering so quickly. Now I can continue to cheer for the D&D team.

Ya know, the only disadvantage I see in the feeds/blogs is that it's bad enough waiting for the show to come on when it does, but you add the great info you get from this blog and it makes it 10 times harder to wait for the show-LOL!! This week is the worst I think because I don't think they'll show last nights activities on tonights show and it's hard tellin' how much they'll show on Thursdays. This insider info is truly priceless.

5:54 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

deb, don't get me wrong. he has said some tremendously objectionable things... i just don't perceive him to be the ogre that the poster from that site does...

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE: Television without pity. It's true that they combined everything into one neat package and took it out of context to make Dick look bad. But he did actually say all those things. I remember them all. They were at different times and with different tones. But he said them. Perhaps we have all become a bit immune to his ranting and since we know a lot of it is stratagy and are hooked on Jen's bad deeds right now we sort of forget. But he has said really awful things. I don't know how you compare what Dick has said to Jen breaking the rules. In the real world Dick would have a restraining order by now (seriously) and what would Jen's punishment be? Maybe no desert?

6:02 PM  
Blogger Stephen said...

LOL Anon!

6:20 PM  
Blogger Natasha said...

I love Jen. I think she should eat whatever she wants. She's clearly throwing in the towel and I think she should. She needs to get out of there and be around people that will love her and like her for who she is. I don't see her eating as being a sore loser and I certainly don't see it as being rude towards Jameka. She knows she has no chance so why not enjoy herself while she's there for the last couple of days.

6:24 PM  
Blogger Laura said...

They need to start hitting Jen in the pocket book any way they can..She'd stop pigging out if it would cost her money and time in front of the camera..She's stupid to think she's going home this week unless BB kicks her to the curb. It's the perfect time for them to get rid of Jam. They would just try getting rid of her next week. She would still have a chance of staying.
What a selfish, stupid little girl she is. I don't blame any of them for not liking her.
I think Dick is just a abusive loser, who has probably acted just like this with Dani for years. She would be better off keeping him out of her life after the show, abusive people don't change their spots they just hide them for a little while.
It sure has helped him out in this game. Manipulation and sheer cruelty has kept him in the game. One good point he has been the most honest of all the HG's. I would have him in jail for the other things he has done in the house. Simple assault, Harassment and Verbal Abuse are against the law I don't think they should be allowed on the show.
Hooked anyway....

8:16 PM  
Anonymous Tella said...

Let's see here...

Who has been saying incestuous things in the house, along with pretty much every thing else spewed by ED? It's just that ED does it to people's face, while most whisper behind backs. Like in real life... some has 'cojones', some don't.

Who put mustard on somebody's clothes... not knowing if it would leave a lasting stain or not? Please, don't say that BB told him to do this... they did not. He came up with the actual task himself. However, the AP directive was stupid.

Just asking... consistency please.

8:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't Jen say that she didn't even apply to be on the show? Was she just thrown in by BB to be a pain to the HG's. If so, it kinda sucks for all those that applied and didnt make it to the show. She obviously doesn't care about being there.
-April in Alabama

-Yes, we have the internet down here!!

8:54 PM  
Anonymous Sherle said...

i think she tried out for survivor but got on bb instead. she has to go!!!

10:01 PM  

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