Will She or Wont She
At 7:30 this morning, after hours of alone time and coming to the conclusion that, "she is not upset with me per se, I have to understand that she's upset with those mother f'ers. I have to understand and try to be empathetic," Dick cried himself to sleep.
The time is now 1:10pm BBT, Dick's just recently awake, and he's sitting outside. He went to Dani's bed 10 minutes ago, touched her shoulder, asked if she was awake and she said nothing. FSA or asleep, I don't know, but she was awake 15 minutes before at 12:45pm BBT.
I maintain high hopes that Daniele and Dick will somehow be able to reignite the happiness of being final two. Do you think they will?
posted by CarolynBBDish @ 1:09 PM
35 Comments:
No she wont but cuz sadly danielle is very selfish. She was only happy because i think she thought deep down that she would win that all of Dick's mean ness would win her the game. Fortunately, the players used their heads not their hearts and she got the short end of the stick. I didn't think that them in the final two would help their relationship and it hasn't but i think outside of the game, their families will bring them together in order to celebrate!
I'd like to think that she will come around, but it's doubtful. I still think their next gig should be the Dr. Phil house.
I think if the little princess doesn't win, she will turn her back on her dad once again. Ride off into the sunset with Nick, I guess that would be her fairy tale ending.
I think she's being juvenile and wish we knew more about what happened during the questions. My heart is breaking for Dick. These next few days are going to be brutal.
Does Dick really cry himself to sleep, Other houseguest have said that earlier in show. But really?
OOoooh:-(
~Christine~
for everyones sake I would like to think that Dani could put the bad feelings aside and try to enjoy the last few days in the hous... being the winner that she is, but I sometimes believe that daniele is a little bit too immature to actually let go of the bad things and appreciate all of the good things that are happening. But i guess being stuck in a fishbowl, with nothing to do all day, tends to warp one's view of reality
I really hope that Danielle will get over it and realize that she is in the final 2 of the show with her dad. I am so over her whining all the time and never giving her dad a break. Maybe it's because my dad passed away 9 years ago when I was 17 that makes me just want to shake her and wake her up to the experience she's had w/ her dad, but I'm really hoping that maybe she'll realize it on her own.
I think Dani is just pouting because she thought she had it in the bag and now she sees she may not and daddy is not going to just hand it to her. I think it is horrible how she used her dad and now already doing the shutting out process so she can go back the way she was when they got there. If you remember, whe was just bashing him not long ago and then started being all nice when she realized she may go if she wasn't. I use to like her, but she has shown her true colors.
What does FSA mean?
I think Dani's true colors are once again coming through. I think she "used" her father when it benefited HER. Anyone watching Showtime saw her acting skills prior to him winning the final HOH with Zach. Once Dick won and it was just Dick & Dani in the house, it was like it - "Well, I won, I can start treating you like I did before". And she did....she started telling him to leave her alone, she couldn't wait to get away from "HIM", blah-blah. Then apparently after the jury questions, she once again "blames" him if HE ends up winning the game.
I, for one am sick of her childish behavior, pouting, mad camera fits & whining. I hope he does win the money and doesn't give her a stinking dime of it. Because I think if she wins it, she certainly won't give him a dime; history will repeat itself. She's already said she can't wait to get out and get far, far away from him.
I'm sorry people, but Dani has a lot of growing up to do and $500k
is not going to help her patch things up with Dick!
Unfortunately if Dick wins I can see him giving HER part of the money and she'll waste it. I think she is a selfish, self-centered person who doesn't take responsibility for HER own actions.
I think she likes to constantly blame her dad for their relationship problems but is not willing to take some blame herself (i.e. not returning phone calls, etc.)
Remember people: There are always (3) sides to every story: Yours, Mine & the TRUTH!
I think Dick has extended the olive branch to her and apologized profusely. While I realize she doesn't wish to "air" their dirty laundry on t.v. ~ she clearly stated she won't even consider going to counseling with him after the show. How selfish and close-minded is that? It shows how immature she really is. It also shows me that she has just used him for the game all along while he has geniuely thought they could possibly "start" on some path while in the house.
She's twisted! She might have been good at the "game" but she would not have made it without the alliance of Dick.
And if she loses (because I think he was a better game player, I mean he was the one in the end who won the finals, not Dani)....Dani will be one "sore loser". She has shown herself to be a sore loser on Showtime after dark in just regular beer pong, card games, etc.
We've really seen the human side of Dick coming out ~ he has been crying, on an emotional roller coaster with her over this final 2.
He's damned either way. I think he knows he loses either way too in the "end".
So sad, but one day she will realize it's really her loss.....
No chance.
Can anyone tell me when the next season of Jerry Springer -- oops, strike that -- I mean BB starts?
Maybe she won't today but I can't see her sulking, b*tching, and moaning until Tuesday. If she does she's a shoe-in for America's NextTop Grump.
I think Dani is too self centered and immature to realize how great she has it right now. Kris really dodged a bullet on this one.
Not going to happen - anytime soon. Dick & Dani will not have a good relationship until Dani grows up. She will have to learn to forgive her father for not doing things HER way ... and for not being a sap ... and for not simply handing her everything ... and ...
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1. yes, dick really did cry himself to sleep last night.
2. fsa means fake sleep alliance.
jes: FSA means Fake Sleep Alliance. It was a term that Nick used to describe Zach's habit of fake-sleeping all the time.
Funny, I'm not hearing much of the hopes and dreams everyone had for Dani & Nick. Still think they should run off into the sunset or afraid for Nick now?
Think she will stay in bed with the covers over her head until Tuesday?
I said no chance, but on further reflection I am sure there will be some media offers for them as a team. She will set aside her differences for those 15 minutes of fame and then revert back when those are done.
What do I think? No, at least not for a long time. She needs to grow up a whole lot; for that matter, so does he. He does appear to be further along in the process, though. :|
I believe that he spent too many years being her friend, rather than her father. One day, something obviously happened that made him behave like a father should, and she's been rebelling/punishing him ever since. I've heard her say to other HGs several times that he was never a father to her and that she resents him suddenly trying to be one.
There is no way that their personal relationship could ever get better in this unreal living situation. He panders to her whim too much, and doesn't give her space when he should. I'm sure he's sincere in wanting to reestablish their relationship, but it's clear that she does not want him as a father. I think she would be okay with him as a friend or an ally, but not where she has to listen to or do anything he tells her. (I don't think "respect" is in her vocabulary)
I think it boils down to the fact that they are too much alike in all of the wrong ways. She will probably end up regretting her choices when he's gone.
Of course, it could turn out differently... but from what Dani has shown -that she's only 'happy' when SHE wins- I'm concerned that it won't.
They really need to invest in some serious counselling, but one has to admit one needs it first.
Sorry 'bout the depressing outlook.
anon @ 210
well even before the question Dani said to her dad, "wake me 445 on Thursday".... when Dick said "The final is Tuesday"... her reply.. "Well then you can tell me if I won or not on Thursday."
I wouldn't put it past her if she slept till Tuesday.
Hopefully the feeds wont be a BIG bore.. Dick should keep up with talking to himself... hopefully for sure....
She is 90% of why I wanted the Donatos broken up. Janelle won a bunch of stuff but she didn't sulk as much. Dani is a sucky winner and a sucky loser.
I don't agree with Dick's methods but he was unapologetic, it was game. Dani oscillates between it being game and personal. You can't act strategically and get mad when others do the same to you. Poor Dick, I honestly feel sorry for him.
What makes me sad is that BB will be the best time Dick ever had with his daughter and he will look back on it fondly. We all know deep in our hearts that Dani will have nothing to do with him after the show. Maybe a phone call here and there, but never like anything they had this summer together. *Sniff sniff*
I NEVER lose hope on anything!! Dani just needs to mature a bit; Dick needs to give her space for awhile. I never saw this show bringing them together, but acting as the needed catalyst to get dialogue going.
I really feel that after they've seen themselves on the show, they'll both have many feelings and some of them may knock them off base as much as their relationship. I just hope they can both learn and grow from the experience and one day have a good relationship.
Deb in WA - Sorry if I sound like the eternal optimist but I have a terminal illness and without hope, there's not a lot left! So, cheer up all........it ain't over yet!
This makes me really sad for BOTH of them! It means the "good people" of the jury got their ultimate revenge.
Carolyn, I agree with your take that they(jury) were afraid to bash Dick, because they are afraid of him. AND they know Dani gets her feelings hurt easily. AND they know that the only way to hurt Dick is to hurt Dani. SO THE JURY WON! The jury was beyond pi$$ed that they HAD to give the money to the Donato's & this was their way to make sure no one was happy when it's all over.
Don't misunderstand me... I do not agree with Dani's behavior - but can empathise with it. She is very young & even more immature than her age. BUT, I too grew up in a dysfunctional family & it took me until age 25-27 to accept that I could not turn my parents into the family I wish I'd had. Dani's not there yet. She hasn't been able to get past the bitter feelings. We don't know the whole story of her life & I know there are those out there that probably had it even worse...but that doesn't mean we can't show her a little empathy as well. My heart is breaking for BOTH the father & his daughter.
I really truly wish them both the best! And hope that Dani changes her mind about family counseling with her father & brother. And I hope that Michael@1:23pm is correct and that "their families with bring them together in order to celebrate!" I hope they can watch the tapes of the show & understand that they were an amazing team! Without each other, I don't see either of them as final 2 - Dick had the "mind" game & Dani dominated the competitions! (Come on, she's tied with everyone's beloved Janelle for POV's in a season!) (Janie fan!)
Sorry this is so long, but I can't end without commenting on Amber & Jameka's apparent questions. The justice for me is that Amber will get at least 10 fold on what she put Dani through, once she is outside & doesn't get her much desired "good" fame.:) And PLEASE...Jameka calling someone else out for being a floater!?! WTF! Sunday night's show should at least be good for a few laughs at the bitter fish in the fishbowl!
THANKS for all your hard work this season Carolyn & hope to find you again for BB9!!!
~Tracy~
This is so terribly sad for Dani to be in this funk during this once in a lifetime experience for her and her dad. Together they both reached the top prize and both are winners. I feel really bad for Dick right now because he is either dealing with her being crappy to him or her ignoring him. What a time it could be for him and his daughter to put aside all previous troubles and start a new chapter in their lives on a positive note. To be a winning team together in a very difficult competition is no easy task.
I hope she finally comes around and not let a bitter jury or her past with her dad steal away the success she has achieved with her father. It seems to me with this group, that anyone who would be in the final two, would be trashed unmercifully. I have to say this is the meanest cast of HG's I have ever seen on this show.
It does sound like AP had the task of swaying the votes away from Dani. At this point the jury would be easily swayed either way since they have nothing to lose and really don't have a fondness for either D or D.
I hope somehow.. these two will build on what they have accomplished here. If they cannot heal old wounds after all of this, then what will it take? Dani has got some growing up to do.
I think Dick playing the game so well and trying to heal his relationship with his daughter at the same time earns him the Number One spot on BB8!
G'morning...er um, afternoon Carolyn. Hope you got some restful sleep? Yikes, what a beginning to this day, egh?
"Will She or Won't She"... Given that "it is what it is" right now, my hopes are that when the AP reveal happens - and Dick wins - Dani will begin to realize that America was watching...and America voted... and that she, and she alone, cast herself into the 2nd place position - in spite of her historical dominance in BB8's competitions.
That it had nothing to do with her Dad.
Mayhaps it will humble her a little in the sometimes painful process of maturing. It's a good lesson.
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I was really hoping for this pair to work it out...I feel sad for Dick. Dani is selfish but I thought that was going a bit better . Guess not. I feel like I almost hate her now and as stated earlier feel really SORRY for Nick. He may re think after all this . WOW my 10 year old acts better than her!
I hope that they will be able to be happy.
I just don't get it. It's ok for these two to be smug, self-absorbed jerks who can bash everyone else on every personal level possible.
But, the jury is being bitter?
It's a game. When we make it personal, why only personal on one side.
I really was disappointed in the F2, but wanted to see how it played out. With this love fest that I am supposed to be buying into, I am finding myself being a DD hater and that is sad!
What goes around comes around and it should apply to everyone -- jury and DD.
I highly doubt they didn't attack him because of being afraid of him. Don't you think they know he would be even more mad at them for attacking her than if they did attack him? Besides they also know that there isn't anything he can do to them anyway other than run his mouth back. Not taking sides but I don't see being afraid a logical reason.
Oh on the side note I remember all saying a perfect fairy-tale ending and even Dick saying that. Whats funny is all think fairy-tales have happy endings but if people only looked the originals like The Three Little Pigs and Little Red Ridding Hood and so on all had tragic endings. I guess this fairy-tale ending is no different. Even though I'm not a fan of their an still feel there were better players and even better teams in the past (just add up what all Will and Boogie one last season), I hate to see any family with problems extending from one person just not willing to listen to the other.
I hope for their sake they work things out and I hope Dick can learn that putting blame on things being bad on the jury, no matter their questions, is lame the problem was there before and never fixed but instead just temperately patched by the excitement of being the last two.
As was said this is but a show and its not likely something of this magnitude could be fixed on it.
Things take time. We can't expect Dani to grow up and D&D to mend their relationship on time with the the season finally.
Even more than Dick, Dani's whole life will change now. This is a very stressful time, even if it is good in many ways. And it's clear the summer has been emotionally exhausing even for the game players without the D&D issues - it's been emotionally exhausting for us just watching!
Dick has had 21 years to think about the mistakes he made with Dani and realize what is important. She just started the process 3 months ago, against her control, on national television. Hey, she's 2 years younger than her dad was when she was born - and he couldn't handle the responsibility.
They are both intelligent people who care about each other. They both have real flaws (just like actual humans). It will probably be years before a true resolution.
Unfortunitely for us that doesn't coincide with the end of the summer tv season. Bummer.
I certainly am holding onto hope that Dani will be able to relax and just enjoy sharing the win with her father -- no matter which way the final jury vote goes. I hope she will realize that THEY won, not her -- not him, but both of them together! They have both said they don't think either of them would be there in the final two had one of them been voted out earlier. I think she will come back to this after she gets some 'alone' time. Well, that is certainly my hope anyway...
One thing we all need to keep in mind and that is that it seems (from reading the updates and what not) that Dani's "Aunt Flo" is visiting and I'm sorry, it isn't an excuse, BUT add some extra stress to the situation and even the best of us can get a tad bit moody and cranky and unreasonable during 'that time of the month'.
Yes, Dani is quite immature and they have their 'issues', but she is NOT without love and compassion and appreciation for her father -- we've seen glimpses of it again and again, especially in the last few weeks (since the big blowout when she got back from P o 10). She honestly seems to be making an effort to 'grow up'....and I am just not cynical enough to believe it all about manipulation and gaming her dad -- I DO believe it is just going to take some time, and that they will work though all this BS they are going through.
In the short term though, yes, I believe Dani will be able to come to grips with the jury 'attacks' and put them in the proper perspective so that the two of them can enjoy the next couple of days, at least.
She'll put on a happy face for the finale on Tuesday. But as soon as she can she'll leave for Disney in Paris ... after all ... misery loves company.
I would love to be a fly on the wall when Dani gets to sit down with the tapes of the show and watch herself, and the way she acted towards her dad and everyone else. I hope she see's her selfishness & down right cruelty to Dick, so much that it will actually open her eyes to change her behavior or at least apologize to him...
just wishful thinking, I guess.
I would love for this to be the happy ending that it should be.
Can you say KARMA??
~bn
Have been hearing about the wrap party all season. Would love to be a fly on the wall for that now!
Run Nick run!!!!!! She has already proven that love isn't enough. It will surprise me if this girl will ever be happy. And they talked about Jen being self- absorbed, I am not seeing much of a difference between them. I was not a Jen fan, but I wonder how Dani would have acted if someone had attack her the way Dick did Jen.
As I am concerned, Dani and Dick are a couple of losers. They may have won this game, but in the game of life they are losers.
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