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Saturday, September 08, 2007

VETO SPOILER

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Dick just let out a whoop of joy so intense, Either he or Daniele Has won.. I'm looking for it...

DANI WON!!!!!

Jameka:(to Dani) So how does it feel? I am in the midst of the winner of Big Brother 8. I'm so sorry mom, dad, everybody...

HOOKAH ROOM
4:15pm BBT
Dani: Get ready for a brutal week with the competitions.
Dick: The first one's gonna be endurance.
Dani: Yeah, I know...
Dick: I don't want him to win ANYTHING.
Dani: Make sure you get a lot of sleep...
Dick: This was it, this was it, I told you... We won!!
Dani: This is insane.. It's not even for real right now.
Dick: It's over! We already won.

They're counting the votes Zach doesn't have...

Dani: He wont have any votes anyway, cuz we're not gonna let him be there.

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146 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

YAY!!!!!!!

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THAT IS THE NEWS I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOO DONATOES!!!

4:15 PM  
Anonymous amber from NC said...

omg omg omg omg IM SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its got to be danielle or dick because dick jsut said something about jameka asking eric something when she goes to the jury house....its danielle i jsut confirmed

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great.

4:17 PM  
Blogger Evel Girl said...

Yes!! Yes!! Yes!! Woo Hoo!

4:17 PM  
Anonymous genniekap said...

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my Goah I am so excited for her!!! I would LOVE to see a Donato finale!!!

4:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOO GO DONATOS!!!!!

4:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank goodness,

Now she can go on to pursue her dreams of being a rich waitress.

Wonderful

4:18 PM  
Anonymous Miranda said...

Yyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes!!!! Now a Donato will be in the Final 2!!!

Lindsay

4:19 PM  
Blogger Cassandra said...

YAY! Dani and Dick deserve to be the final 2. Can't wait to see Jameka walk out that door, hopefully zack will be out the door as well. :)

4:19 PM  
Anonymous laci said...

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

I just hope she doesn't turn on her dad and boot him instead of Jameka.

4:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! MY SISTER AND I LET OUT THE BIGGEST SCREAM FOR JOY EVER!!!!!!!! GO DONATOS!!!!!
I KNEW IT!!!

4:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cecilia here-I AM SO HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY Jam and "ZACH"s god `must of been busy today maybe with all the poverty death and war in the world he or she could not find the time to help them!

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that sucks! now it will be so boring and predictable...

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats to those rooting for D&D.

Sadly, I am not one of them.

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TOTALLY AWESOME!!! TOTALLY!!!!

(sorry for yelling Carolyn!)

sts

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jameka has her dates all wrong she thinks that tomorrow is 9/11

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Renee said...

Today is a good day...I am a youth cheerleading coach and our game just finished and I was like "Come On, hurry up, I have to get home and see who won the Veto!!!" ( only my daughter knew what I was talking about!!!
-Im SOOO happy!!!!
GO DANI!!!

4:22 PM  
Blogger Kim said...

Yey! I was so hoping that would happen! Thanks for the update Carolyn! :)

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG.... YES, YES, YES !!! I AM SO HAPPY... I REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MYSELF. SHOULD I HAVE A DRINK, DO A BACK FLIP? WHAT? IT COULDN'T LOOK ANY BETTER FOR THOSE TWO.... I AM TRILLED.


Lisa in MONTANA :-)

4:23 PM  
Anonymous MoNYC said...

YES! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Am I the only hearing Queen's "We Are The Champions"? LOL! YES!!!!!!!!

4:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IT'S ABOUT TIME!! WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT ZACK? HAHA!!!

4:24 PM  
Anonymous hockeymom said...

Yipeeeee..............so happy...and so glad that Dick will be able to get the final vote...so how miserable is zach gonna be in the house once jam is out?

go D and D ( and did you hear her say "i love you" to dick? awwwwwww....)

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gawd Dick quite talking and let her enjoy it for a momment! You didnt do this she did !

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time for a sunset bike ride Carolyn.

sts

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems the Donatos have this one in the bag. I'm really glad to see Dani win the PoV. Has anyone else noticed that every single HG that has made a deal with one or both D's has gone home? Wow, this game has gotten intense. I'm so glad y'all convinced me to get the feeds. ;)

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Glen said...

I AM A HAPPY BOY RIGHT NOW!!! WAY TO GO DONATOS!!! WOOHOO!!! Dick is sooooo cracking me up right now!! He is sooooooo stoked!!

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Brian said...

All the Dani haters can just suck on that. This young woman needs the money and deserves it. I cannot wait to see how it went down.

All Zach can do is watch now. Three times those crazy Donatos made it on the block and they both make it off. That is awesome.

For the next four days we can listen to Zach and Jameka bash the people who won everything instead of addressing their own faults. Pre game ego stroking is a waste of time. Life's a bitch isn't it Zach and Jameka?

I can't believe I am still cheering for these two.

Damn you Jessica ...

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, can I have my Pepto back? I am REALLY nauseus now!

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya gotta give it to the girl...
She may be a bratty whiner, but when it really counts, that girl can PLAY!!!
Go Dani....You deserve the whole enchalada!

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I AM SO HAPPY!!! I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU!!! WOOHOO!!! BYE BYE JAMEKA!!! AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL SOON BE BYE BYE ZACH!!!

SERENA

4:31 PM  
Anonymous hockeymom said...

wow...did you all hear them talking? d and d have been working together since DAY 1...what a twisty twist!

4:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That stinks....I can officially quit watching now.

4:33 PM  
Anonymous Trisha said...

I am soooo glad! Granted Dani isn't my favorite, but I would like to see Dick win this game!

4:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YAYYYY!!! Dani is awesome!

4:36 PM  
Blogger WAgal said...

Dick and Dani should be happy for their win but instead Dick has to run around like the total jerk he is and terrorize Zack and Jameka. Sorry, hard to be happy for someone who behaves like that. Now I really hope Zach wins. Dick and Dani just lost any support I could have mustered on their bahalves. Ugh! GO ZACH!!!!

4:39 PM  
Anonymous cat said...

Words cannot describe the joy in my soul right now!!! I guess the Lord of BB was listening to our prayers. Dani and Dick dominate this game. They deserve this!!!!

4:40 PM  
Anonymous Becky said...

YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! GO Donato's!!! Donato's to the end baby!!!!

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse my language, but I love this sh-t!!!


GO DANI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I LOVE BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought this was going to be a weak season but I love it now.....

Take Care!!!!!!

4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think i just threw up in disgust!!! the show is pointless to watch now

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a finish fo f3!!!
So D &D join Zach.
Good bye, Jameka!
When is eviction day?
It will be tough for J to see D&D jubilate till she gets to jury house. The longer she stays, the more obnoxius Dick will be to her and Zach.
This may backfire as Jameka will be working the jury house against the Donatos. Those settling scores personally will be riled up.
If Zach wins HoH, who wil he take to the f2?
Will the evicted D be able to turn the tide or get "punched" by the hostile jury? Lynching?
However if D or D wins HoH, bye! bye! Zach!
What is $550,000 divided by 2?
If the D&D split the prize, $275,000 will buy Dani an education and a new life while Dick will move to Miami to be with Janelle, for a few months,...
Please CBS show us the jury house!
The BBhouse will be very boring, except for the comps - lots of time to kill.
Feeds on jury, please!
America wnats to know if its "playa" has scored big! Only the cameras will keep Eric's roaming hands from Jess.
We want entertainment!
We deserve entertainment!
We demand entertainment!
We crave entertainment!

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YAY!!!!! I'm so excited!!! Thanks Carolyn for keeping us updated.

4:44 PM  
Blogger Innamorata said...

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

OMG I am so damn happy I could dance! Hold up, think I will.......

"Go shorty, it's your brthday, we're gonna party like it's your birthday......"

DAMN this feels good! Now THAT'S a burthday gift! Thank you BB8!!

And MAY I add, thank you Carolyn, Evel, and Stacey for your birthday wishes ladies, love you :-)

Alida

4:49 PM  
Blogger Cliff O'Neill said...

Kill me.

4:51 PM  
Blogger Cindy said...

AMEN

I bet Zach feels like an Ogre and Jameka feels foolish?

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$500K is far from being rich.

BOOT DICK.

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

brian -- they all deserve the money. it's a game, it's not about who needs the money most.

D&D have dominated this game. I am happy for them, but there is a little truth in what jrt said about society.

I have always rooted for the underdog, so this bothers me a lot. Zach reminds me a lot of my own son (can't wait to hear the comments on that one). He is quiet, deep and a loner. But he has the biggest heart around and deserves to be just as happy as the "cool" kids.

I personally don't like the D&D style, but it is what it is and it worked. More power to them.

One last thought -- Dani just said how proud Dick's Mom was going to be of them. My thought is NOT.

But -- it's just a game.

4:54 PM  
Blogger Innamorata said...

Wait what? Dani said I love you to her dad??? When?? Why???

This I gotta hear..........

Alida

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG!! I am ecstatic here! Go Dani! Wow she is a great competitor, and she really deserves to win it all!

4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dick just asked why they even have to play the next comp. Has he forgotten that stranger things could happen and Zach could pull this one out?

Just becaue D&D get to share one of the prizes, the other one is still up for grabs.

4:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey everyone who has said that Dani is a bratty whiner... we all need to remember that Dani is in the house with her dad and that she is only 21. I am 26 and if you put me in the house with my dad I'd probably be a whiner too! lol We all (especially girls) act different when we are with our fathers/parents. It is that comfort/ that familiarity. Even though they have been estranged he is still her dad.

Serena

4:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, what's up with the feeds. Did anyone else just lose connection?

5:01 PM  
Blogger Sher said...

Yes!!! Let the celebration begin! Bottoms up! *clink*

5:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the world just became a darker place.

5:03 PM  
Anonymous Codinome said...

GOD dropped a magic blue ping pong ball in Jameka's tube. Then GOD ignored Jameka's and Zach's prayers for vengeance.

That's why I love GOD. 'Cause HE's gangsta like that.

5:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got home..

Thank you Carolyn!!!!!

Donato's Rule!!!!


Debi (-:

5:05 PM  
Blogger anaface said...

YEEPYYYYY!!!!! *jumps up and down*

This is WAY too awesome!!! I'm so excited! I can't wait to see that celebration tomorrow! And Zach's face... will be priceless! :D

It sounds like the competition was about numbers... I can't believe this is what Zach and Jameka were going over THE WHOLE FREAKING DAY! haha

Double D's FTW!!!

5:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok i am done i am going to go make tacos in honor of my fallen players and after i am done i am gonna slit my wrists with the green plastic kitchen knife( jk) and call it a night....I can't listen to this D love fest about how awesome they are. Its an easier game when you got 2 people playing it.
I just dont want to see Dick on ET complaining about his daughter hosing him later about the money and how he did it all and she did nothing but win but he kept her there...I can see him streching that extra 5 minutes now and am looking forward to the D&D show down when its just the two of them in the house and Dani has noone to complain about how aweful he is or how crazy shes driving him!!



*Sigh* Good news tho Survior starts soon!!

Have a great evening everyone!!

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya know, if you stop and think about it, the producers HAD to have wanted a player like Dick, one who could and would say and do just about anything....and NOT back down. He has kept the show very colorful, to say the least. The Donato's have been on the block more than anyone, and managed to outwit and outplay the rest of them. Dani especially! She has always come through when she needed a BIG win. She's kept a large following.
Claire's Nannie

5:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kind, talented, hardworking blogger gal:

Would you please mention in your posts whether Zach is able to compete in the F3 HOH? (The next HOH competition.) I can't remember if its an exception to the rule. If not, then D&D are definitely F2. If not, then 1 is and maybe 2.

I've searched your site and Jokers Update, and can't find this answer. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Thanks!!!

5:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Serena -- Dani has said repeatedly she does not consider Dick family, much less her father.

5:23 PM  
Blogger Aja said...

All I can say is YEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!

Thanks for keeping everyone updated!

I couldn't have waited until the show to see who won!

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When down to F3, everyone competes for HOH. Otherwise, who would even try to win it at 4 since that is basically a POV week anyway.

5:26 PM  
Anonymous MZ. KIKI said...

I AM SO OVERJOYED WITH THE DONATOS RIGHT NOW THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT 2 SAY! I'VE BEEN WAITING 4 THIS EXCELLENT NEWS ALL DAY. LET'S DO THIS, A DONATO FINALE!

5:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just cannot cheer for someone like Dick. From the moment he uttered violent words that are too horrible to repeat, I hated him. He will do anything and hurt anyone to win. Except his daughter, you may add. That is because he carries a horribly guilty conscience over the horrible things he has done to her. Too horrible to mention on the show according to Dani.

How anyone can root for that kind of person is beyond me. Strategy my a**.

Is it just me or didn't trash talking cause you to lose the game and not win it in the past. As the first Danielle did. If this is telling of where North American society is headed, I just have to say it frightens me.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Doc Rocket said...

YES! I said it before and I'll say it again...THE GIRL HAS GAME!
A beautiful reward for a very deserving player!

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause... - Theodore Roosevelt

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

vuikxqlDouble D Domination!!!

WoooooHoooooo!

I would like all the haters to once again state why Dani doesn't deserve the game, much less- final two. :P

Time to look past personal judgements and see things in an objective light. It's a game. She is a great player.

No one deserves the money more than Dani and Dick.

5:34 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

doc rocket - Excellently put!!

Great quote for the situation.

5:34 PM  
Blogger Evel Girl said...

What a beautiful way to put it! Way to quote it girl! :)

5:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a hater, just don't like D&D. I know it's a game and agree they have dominated and played it exactly right to get where they are. Not taking anything away from where they are in the game.

I am just kinda sad that we celebrate that behavior. I really do know it's a game and know they came in under strained circumstance, tragic even.

I just have a really hard time being happy for bullies and those who condone that behavior - game or no.

With that being said I'll say it again. Congrats to D&D and all D&D fans. I'm just not one of them.

5:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poignant and highly applicable quote, Doc Rocket. (^_^)b

5:48 PM  
Blogger Kelly WW said...

I frickin LOVE it. :)

5:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen to her dick -- shut up!

5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dick is not gracious in his victory to Jameka, he's only acting that way to try to win her vote. Duh!!

5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL Dani -- I can't believe u are questioning the audacity of "these" people to make the comments to you that they have during this game.

What part of that's the strategy that has you here today do you not understand?

Glad that Dick at least pointed that out to her.

5:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a game people - no one was hurt in the making of this game were they? Sheesh I don't understand why some are so upset over Dick & Dani's game playing....and the game isn't over yet stranger things have happened....my question is though now that Jameka is up that means Dick has the vote - then what all 3 play hoh so if Zach wins - he nominates 1 person to go up which would mean he would have to win POV to make it to the final 2....hmmm interesting who he would put up...see no one was smart in the beginning by putting both of them up together...oh well

5:54 PM  
Blogger Jennifer said...

I'm canceling my feeds right now--self righteous jerks

5:55 PM  
Anonymous autumn said...

NO!!!!!

I am obviously in the minority here. I hate this game at the moment.

5:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as much as I dont like Danielle, she deserves to win

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 5:54 -- We do realize it's a game. No one was physically hurt and we get that.

As I said, I am just sad that people are celebrating someone who acts like that. He is a bully and self-righteous. Yes, it won him at a very minimum 1/2 (if Dani's nice) of $50K. Kudos to him.

Just don't ask me to be happy about it.

And, I don't think there's a POV. If I remember right, the next HOH chooses who is in F2. Period, end of story.

6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AHH! YES!!!!!

I left for a couple of hours, and came home to great news!!!!

D&D in the final two!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!


(Thanks for keeping us updated Carolyn!)

6:08 PM  
Blogger Elizabeth said...

Omg I'm so exicted this is the greatest thing to happen. D&D final 3.

6:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its been stated long ago the reasons and for a D&D lover they will never come to let themselves believe anything other than they are the most wonderful people to ever be on the show.
Recapping the past real fast both were nominated Dick acted like a major but to make sure he left and not her. He won the veto and took her off afraid that the other HGs new it would be a worse payback to him to send her packing than himself, so in turn he saved her (which is how she is still in the game not cause she won the veto). Then cause of people using AP to help their favorite players instead of helping him Dick stayed. D&D really got all the breaks. Now I'm not saying she can't play the competitions well but thats not all that wins the game.
I'm not a D&D lover as I guess you can tell but I can at least admit we differ on who we fill is more worthy and let you feel the way you do as you know I'll still feel the same as I do.
Janelle didn't win when she was by far the better player. In this season its still the same way. I think only once has the best won and umm he didn't win that many competitions.
The fact is though even though I don't feel they are the better players they are at the end and at least one will be at the end. I didn't like that June won or that Maggie won but hey its a game big deal. I'll just hope the next season is better.

6:13 PM  
Anonymous dorothy&toto said...

i'll take Dick and Dani ANYTIME over Boogie and Erica.

6:16 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

jrt - i know you're not a happy camper right now, and i want you to know you're a valued contributor here, but i have to ask you to please resist the urge to attack other commenters.

6:19 PM  
Anonymous jimmy2bad said...

hi everybody... this is a serious question... I'm not trying to be sarcastick... is it me or did zacks ego grow a thousand times larger over the last week? didn't he used to be quiet and stuff but now he's all super ego? anybody else see this or is it just me????

I appreciate it if you can reply here... thanks a bunch!!!!11

6:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was going to Sam's to buy the mega Pepto? Please pass it. I am VERY sick right now.

6:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thru all my sadness today, I forgot all about the AP twist.

Listening to this conversation of D&D explaining to Jam what "really" happened in the game makes me really anxious for all of them to hear the news.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont thinlk they really were ever apart they act to much like each oter i hope zach can pull off the biggest upset ever.........

6:33 PM  
Anonymous brittni said...

YES!!!!!!!

GO DICK & DANI - I KNEW THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO IT! I really don't know what I would've done if it was the other way around. These two totally deserve it!

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW I am so freaking Excited I dont know what to do man.. I have been watching BB since the start and NO ONE I have ever wanted to win has won ... This Could be "THE YEAR" woohoo I dont care Dick or Dani I love them both .. they both ROCK and have played a kick azz game ...

THIS IS PERFECT !!!!!!!!!!!
GO DONATOES !!!!!!!!!!


mandy :-)

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Michael said...

Why does everyone say the Donatos are the best? Danielle is the best i will give her that but dick just sucks .. besides an two hoh he has really blown at everything else

6:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could someone fill me in? What makes you think that D&D have never been apart?

Anon. 6:26.: What do you mean when they told Jameka the "real" game?

What did I miss?

6:47 PM  
Anonymous evilpoptart said...

YEAH BABY!!!! Now final 2 is my goal for D&D!!!
p.s. Ladie everytime I look u r numero uno!!!! KUDOS to U!

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 6:47 -- they are just telling Jam of all the deals everyone had, but with a little slant.

Smart move on their part. She's the next in the jury house and ppl there like and trust her.

6:58 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

sry for the lack of posting at the moment..

i'm on a myspace comment leaving frenzy ;)

7:02 PM  
Blogger JudyD said...

Very happy that Dani won the POV.I'm just not going to celebrate to much right now.

Because as sure as the Lord made green little apples things can and do take a turn for the worst.

I will wait till Jameka goes out the door followed by Zach and the final 2 are Dick and Daniele.

7:13 PM  
Anonymous cai said...

i'm a happy camper but very tired...
goodnight, Carolyn AND everyone!
until tomorrow.

7:15 PM  
Anonymous cai said...

btw, a big thank you to you, Carolyn.

you always work the hardest for all of us. thank you!

7:18 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

cai - MWAH!

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carolyn:

Am a first time BB viewer and already an addict.
Thanks for "feeding" us such a great blog.
Could you tell us what's ahead for the HoH comp?
# of rounds, type of competition, elimination process, etc.

Thanks so much again!

7:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone have the video of D&D revealing the deals everyone had in the house?

Thanks.

7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jimmy2bad - I had to leave for about 40 minutes, so I don't have a feel for "ego" yet on Zacks part...but I've heard him tell quite a few lies over the past week that make me go hmmmm. Thing is, they weren't lies pertaining to the game itself, but about himself & things that have happened in the house.

I can say that he is definately expressing himself in a superior fashion to each of the other HGs. He is quite impressed with himself for sure!

I think the word for me is, sanctimonious. He is definately a WASP!

sts

7:33 PM  
Blogger bobbi said...

Yes thank you Carolyn for all the hard work you have done on this - since I think someone phished myspace again I cant get in to put a personal comment on so I wanted to at least say this here - thanks & hugsssss I love this blog!!!! As for the comment about Zach's ego growing yup I agree 100% - I have liked this season - its been entertaining at least but wonder why they never showed the sequester house?

7:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian and for the next 4 days we can listen to Dick yammer on and on about how he did all of this... And when Dani turns on Dick which she will cuz shes selfish and has been the whole game the love fest will be done and america like other people in her life will feel used and played.

Needing the money and deserving it are 2 totaly different things and a matter of opionion. And zach might still go to the final 2 you don't know.

And they are not bashing them from what i see quite the contray

Sat 4:53 PM BBT Jameka coming down HOH stairs..."ohhhhh now the crappy part comes - why don't they wait til Thursday"...(more) - makmadden
Dick; look we were just talking when they announced you to DR - listen we are really bummed at the fact that we are so happy is coming at your expense;"
Jam ' oh pffft - look its fine its fine... i wouldn't even be here if it weren't for you 2 and the deal so its fine its fine... i would be the same way ...
Dick' thats why we offered you the deal ... cause we knew you would stick to it..
Jam' thank you... but you two deserve to be happy ... you earned it... its fine... really its fine.
does that sound like shes bashing them ??

Dani won and Dick is still going off why?? Cuz well hes a dick. He can break alliances but noone else can? Why is that they had an agreement to the final4 with E/J they broke it but then complain cuz Zach didnt keep his words it rings a bit hollow does it not??

Does bashing also mean telling the truth?? Jam said Dani had had her dad do all the dirty work and no truer words were spoken!!

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dick and Dani made an awesome team! Yes Dick could use some finishing school but it's his bad ass antics that got him this far, so go with what you know.

I hate to see Dani and Zack go head to head in endurance. He has so many advantages on her.

Good luck to D&D!

Mercy

8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about mentally hurt oh wait that does not count ??I get so tired of the fact that because noone lost a limb or an eye they can't be hurt.

And it appears things may have been slanted when Dick told Dani the DR was rooting for them to win... Yeah ratings means more money for them seem this was a little skewed.

Can any of the D&D lovers tell me if Dick was in a room and did or said what he did on this show to your best friend, your mother, or sister or aunt would you think what he did was cool,or strategy or just oh well its the cost of doing business? If they were just playing a game say your family member was a HG then would all be cool with you. Thats why people have a problem with them. What Dani doesn't think of he does and then exicutes. Thats why people are so irate and don't like what they did and feel what they did was unfair and wrong.. Sorry the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hands Cliff the green plastic kitchen knife as i slowly bleed, hand me a turkey burger dude now !!

~aeona

8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG - so I've been without internet since 3:30 central time, it's 10:27 right now. Can you say ADDICTED??? I was too embarrased to call anyone and find out, oh I LOVE this site! seriously carolyn - what's a decent donation amount?
all I can say is WHOOOO HOOO!!!

8:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats funny about this "deal" that Jam made with them is the fact she didnt have to do anything. It was for that one time and she didnt win so she didnt have to do anything. So good deal to her. She got farther in the game and didnt really have to step on anyone to do that to me means she was a truely good player at least she has most of her morals in tact.

I am so sick of Dick still twisting thing he has to be like this in real life to hes way to good at it !

8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First time BB viewer.
It has been a fascinating show thus far.
As everyone seem to be on the confession track, here is mine - sorry it is quite long!
Have to admit a few things:
I loved D&D strategic pairing (hope they resolved their real-life difference - sometimes $ helps).
Did not like Eric - shifty? - though he had to play AP (help or hindrance? does not matter much). Also his impulses go hold of his senses, you guys know what I mean,lil head over big one.
Jess had a good HoH run - played with her heart, not her head, too bad she did not hear/ heed her Mum's advice.
Could not stand Amber was so "fake" with the bible & oath on daughter - weak thinker, cried too much.
Respected Jameka's approach to the game - though the religious thing was a bit too much at times.Would have preferred Jameka-lite without sanctimony.
Remember Dustin's ego, cockiness and "king of the world" attitude like a rooster on a stack of manure!
Kind of warmed up to Zach as the underdog, respected his quiet but strategic game. Won some key comps. Took some big risks towards the end.
Back to D&D - Dick is the mastermind and executioner and Daniele did not fall far from the family tree, no doubt.
At this stage, I sincerely believe that the best 3 players are competing. My favorite combo over the last couple of months.
I am torn as who I think/hope will win.
D&D in f2 would make for terrific story - convergence of real lfe and "fiction/ game" world.
If it is Dick, he would have earned his place under the sun with spits, insults, etc. but what a competitor and a strategist.
If Daniele wins, she would have studied the game very well and played amazingly - so many wins. Zach as winner would be poetic justice for lots of reasons.
In the end, the public has only one vote - Eric or AP - will Jameka and the last one evicted change the mind of the remaining 6?
At this time, I just want more surprises and a great show.
Deepest thanks to Carolyn for such deication and hard work.
Final word, where do I sign up for BB Anonymous?

8:34 PM  
Blogger Denise said...

This is a day to rejoice. LOL. WOO HOO for Dani

8:37 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

honestly, i'm beyond tickled when you guys donate at all.. except for that guy who left a penny- that was just rude... the average donation has been 20... some higher, some lower... all much appreciated!

8:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 8:11 - this is a mental game, it is supposed to mess with your mind. And this isn't the first time that there have been arguments or personal attacks on the show. What about Amber's remarks about Jewish people? No that wasn't to anyone in the house but that was rude to say the least - although if you only watch the show on TV you didn't see that because they didn't air it. What about Will and Boogie? They played a pretty vile mind screwing game. Unfortunately these conflicts give us something to watch and these people know this going into the game. And I don't know him so I can't be sure but I don't believe that Dick acts like that to everyone he knows/meets outside of the house. And no I wouldn't like it if he attacked someone I loved either but sometimes I have to feel that they had it coming, maybe not all of it but some of it. Maybe I'm alone in this but that is my opinion. And I don't think he has attacked everyone in the house... unless I missed it he never attacked Jessica did he? It is a game and people like drama - that is why Jerry Springer did so well! lol

Serena

8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh! Just been forgetful here!
In my earlier confession, I fail to mentioned Jen - Dr. Freud would have a good explanation. She was "easy on the eyes" - loved the swimsuits (sorry, just being an idiot like Eric!!). Would not go near her - would be too afraid of her! Dick and her would be a good pair in real life - couple from hell!

8:45 PM  
Blogger scorpio1109 said...

I am ecstatic that Dani got the veto. The have been put up on the block 3 times together and have overcame the odds. I love watching them get through it together. Next thing I want to see after Jameka leaves is Zack walking out the door. Would love to see the sequester house have to choose between Dick and Dani

8:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lindsay "Sweety"...run for your life!! You are better than someone's afterthought! Holy Cats!

Get away while you can!

sts

8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talking of racist remarks, let not forget that it is no less demeaning for one to be sexist or homophobic.
Dick may "love" women but he does not seem to show a lot of respect for women. Daniele knows more about this side of her dad.
As far I can remember from the feeds, Amber made anti-Jewish remarks, Daniele said Asians were bad tippers, did not read or hear about Zach's remark.
Can someone tell us more who said what?
Does this racist question determine the "good people" from the "bad ones"?
In any case, let those living in a glass house, throw the first stone at BB Hgs.

9:06 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

anon@9:06

Zach's Racist Remarks

Also, lets not forget all the incest innuendo... For me, that was the most offensive thing of the season...

I'm sure other things were more offensive to other people... Offense is never objective. ;)

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Serena,

Yeah he did attack her vervbaly several times when she was on the block, And behind her back as well. He even attacked his own daughter look how he talked about her several times and the things hes called her. To me that is not proper behavior in a game and should not to be rewarded call me crazy then so be it but it should not be.

Dick has taken pervious hgs game to the moon and back noone has been more vial or disgusting as him.

As for the racist comments made in the game... Well your right there was alot of that going on but then again Dick even went there as well and beyond. He knew it would hurt Jam and Zach. He did it PURPOSELY, which makes it worse in my eyes, he used someone's racists words to hurt someone of another race that is the worst kind of racist!

It saddens me noone see this kind of stuff, Jerry Springer tv or not i dont watch him and i dont like to watch people being racist either will they show this stuff i doubt it heaven forbid they will want to make Zach or ED out to be racists and or that the comp was skewed to D&D after all dick told dani they were rooting for them in the DR and all the things that Dick has said coming out of the DR, like stir things up today...

makes you wonder does it not??

9:13 PM  
Anonymous MoNYC said...

The incest and Dustin got to me. Dustin's dog's named N****r B***h because she's black and female--and he's defended the name outside of the house too!

9:15 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

I'm reasonably certain we're all gonna have to agree to disagree on this one...

We can talk in circles about it until we're all blue, but at the end of the day, some will believe x and others will believe y, and on this point, i think our arguments will do little but draw us apart...

Which would just be a shame to me...

9:18 PM  
Anonymous MoNYC said...

C- The houseguests' questionable comments, strategies, and sentiments sure have given us fodder for discussion and, I hope, introspection about our own beliefs, boundaries, and prejudices, though!

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTG Dani!!! Dick & Dani in final 2 I hope! WTG DONATO"S!!!!!!

Deb in NY

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hafta say - Meka is dignified and honorable in her loss. I'm impressed with her humanity at this juncture. Bless her.

"It is what it is." She's a good woman in the world. I'm glad she's out there in this world.

G'nite.

sts

9:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carolyn:

Thanks for the video of Zach's "mighty white" remark - is this a racist remark? Sorry, I don't understand its ramifications as I have never heard it before.
In any case, things are going to be very testy between Zach & the Ds. Does CBS have security ready to jump if someone turns physical - the insults from Dick are sometimes hard to take, that I wonder if Zach may not snap.
I can understand why Jen lost it.
Probably after BB8, CBS will make some changes to the rules.
Carolyn, I am so glad you are doing an amazing job moderating this blog and sifting through all the incoming messages, some are certainly tainted with horrible things.
Hope the rides and the spa help soothe your body and soul.

9:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MoNYC your so right about that!! it really makes you think twice about what you say and do does it not.. And what you will tolerate and wont it also makes you think what you will and wont watch. I know from alot of other boards people dont watch and quit watching after the "burning incident" took place and with jess and eric being gone even the cbs board the posts are down in #'s and slow.

I am just thankful for Carolyn's safe haven here and the ability to post fairly and not be F bombed and made out to be stupid if you dont believe someone elses trains of thought!!

Thanks again, So what show is next Carolyn ??

But i do have one request someone please get chen bots bangs out of her face and eye on the BBAD ad i want to swat them away for her she needs a hair cut that is so 2 yrs ago please you are not a pomerainan! there i bet thats all something we can agree apon!

~aeona

9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon@9:46

You are seriously finding it difficult to see how saying, "That's mighty white of you" to mean, "That's migty kind of you" is a racist comment?
Seriously?

Maybe you just did not hear the clip clearly. Surely, you can understand the ramificatons of equating "white" with "kind".
By deductive reasoning, this would insinuate non-white people are... erm... less than kind. (o_O)

11:02 PM  
Anonymous Tella said...

Anon. 11.02.

Very well put!

I am enjoying the calm in the house this evening. I wish Jameka could get a bonus. She is very likeable and a good sport, not blaming anybody else for her mistake and misfortune. I actually liked her when she first came in the house... then she just got a bit too weird. I believe that was how she showed her stress. They all do it differently. We all do. Maybe she can sell some of her art work on Ebay? She is a beautiful woman... should do a commercial for M&Ms.

Dick and Dani also have a different energy about them this PM. Less complaining and a calm. They know the odds are good for at least one to win good money.

I feel for all of you who are bummed by the outcome. I have been there myself these past 5 years. Now I feel much more pleased, or more correctly... I am very happy. I hope Dick and Dani find some solace and acceptance in one another and work on their issues out of the house.

11:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually i don't think the comment is all that racist as well. I live in WI and they say that quite a bit here. Since this came up i have asked 4 of my black friends if this comment offends them. I was told no. We often say were in a black mood here meaning bad mood that does not mean being black is bad! There were far more racist comments on this show than this one. I also don't think it was slur to Jam either or personally to her. It did not seem to bother her what was said very much either. I think she was more offended when he wiped his hands after he touched her leg.

I think Zach even went inside himself and over searched for things he had done and also realized maybe some of his behaviors are not approprate.

Jameka herself admits she has no "white " friends herself before this and was in the house and was the only black person so she felt huge pressure to represent for her people. She for the most part has played honorably and still even today when Dick was saying and doing things she shruged them off and let them go when it came to the racist stuff, and other comments that were made and still stuck up for people when people were getting bashed.

She did not cave like most people have and joined in on the bashing of others. She may have said things i will lay them out but then also said would give them the oppertunity to explain themselves.

I will be sad to see her go. she brought some diversity and life to BB8 and i think taught them all something about black culture the good the and bad ( if you can call her going off on ED bad which i know some would( i didnt i think he deserved it) so i added that myself ) I think shes really a beautiful girl with a radiant smile when she is not being so careful to watch herself ( like when her hair was pulled back after she got done working out) and a beautiful soul to boot. As someone said i am glad shes out there in the planet somewhere.

I have liked her since day one. She felt out numbered yet everyone seem to take to her even just a little bit that is saying alot for this cast.

Thank you for not playing into D&D's hand tonight!

I hope you have a great time in the jury house and i hope its some place exciting for you :)

1:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 9:46 pm in response to anon 11:02 am and 1:37 am regarding Zach's remark.
Not looking to debate.
Have to say that putting the conversation into context is difficult as we do not have the whole segment or transcript.
Agree with later comment by anon 1:37 - remark was not directed at Jameka or any other person of colour.
Often deductive reasoning can be traced back to prejudice or political correctedness.
The remark is probably distasteful but there was no intentional malice from Zach when he uttered it.
Btw I am a person of colour - of so many racial origins - and have encountered far worse, direct verbal racist attack.
As Carolyn was saying, this is not going to be resolved here. But in fairness, on BB we have all heard worse discriminatory remarks against women, mothers, Jews, Asians, gays, etc. Such behaviours should be condemned.

6:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who thinks that maybe she should use the veto on her dad because even though it does not matter, it would be a nice gesture and repaying him for what he did to her?

6:52 AM  
Blogger Brooks said...

what really gets under my skin is when people insult dick's personal demeanor towards women and such based on this game. Dick & Daniele deserve to win because they dominated the competitions, outwitted the other houseguests, and played a really great game. No1 can speculate about Dani & Dick's relationship because no one knows what the truth is so speculation shows nothing about dick's true character.

6:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon@1:37 & anon@6:04-

I am not looking to debate, as this is no doubt a highly emotive and fairly subjective topic.
Just one more post to further clarify my point (made @ 11:02)

Firstly, in "i am in a black mood", black is interchangeable with "dark" and is an age old literary expression (pinning forces of lightness against darkness). It has nothing to do with race (at least, on the surface. We, could of course, further analyze and delve deep down into sub-conscience associations played out through the history of humankind, but we won't do that here.)

I am, in no way, suggesting that Zach has a white hood or Nazi literature hidden in the recesses of his closet. I am not claiming that it is necessary to be a racist to make a racist remark. We often pick up language and expressions with out fully exploring their meaning, beyond superficial impresion. (It is my personal opinion that Zach could benefit from some introspection and self-evaluation, but so can we all.)
I was simply addressing the underlying racial tones of the comment, its self, not the commenter.

I am similarly bothered by black people calling each other N***** and females calling each other B****. I do not care whether or not it is within a bigoted dialogue and meant to hurt someone, these are bigoted and derogatory terms. (Using them to "reclaim" the word is rubbish. "You can't use the the master's tools to tear down the master's house.")

Now, I am of French, Scottish, and Irish decent and could easily get naked, lay down in snow, and mostly disappear. Yet I have my own brain and skills of critical thinking, and so I do not feel I need to check with any black friends regarding what does or does not have racist connotations. In other words, your black friend telling you it is not racist means nothing more than what it is... a subjective opinion from 1 human being. It may match your own opinion and that may, in your own mind, be all the proof you need. That makes it neither absolute nor truth. There are obviously a lot of opinions out there that differ, and I was expressing mine.

Lastly, I am so far beyond "political correctness" that I cannot clearly see it from here. (~_^)b
I speak my mind, regardless of what lurks there, and I am always true to my own personal perspective. I happen to have my own morals, which can easily be summed up by "You should have the right to do whatever the hell you want, as long as you are not hurting anyone else or infringing on their right to do whatever the hell they want".
This includes free speech. People can say whatever they want and spew all the hate they like (again, not at all saying this is what Zach was doing), but I am not one to sit quietly by. I have a voice of my own, and I use it,

10:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10:32 a.m.

Not in disagreement with you - everyone has the right to express one's individual opinion,etc. as you paraphrased the well-known quote of Jean-Paul Sartre about freedom.

The question about malicious intent of this specific incident remains unanswered.

Same go for the insults to various groups made by the Hgs - strategy or pure ignorance or bigotry or intentional malice or combination of previous?

Are we to see a sad reflection of our society and ourselves in the BB events and Hgs?

Thanks for sharing your insights and personal views. Hopefully this conversation has contributed to a better understanding of such a major human problem among the bloggers.

12:07 PM  
Blogger Innamorata said...

Wow. Reading all of these comments really got my little head whirling....let me fill you all in on my unique situation in this and why it perked up my ears as it did.

People are in sheer SHOCK I love Dick. Here's why. I am married to a woman, am half black, and AM a woman. Therefore I cover all 3 bases of the alleged racism/sexism that Dick covered and what has riled people up.

Anyone surprised yet? I am sure there are plenty, as I said, a few people are floored I adore this guy for the very same reasons some of you are all up in arms. I however am not, and again here is why.

I do not believe Dick to be a racist nor a sexist. I believe him to be brilliant if anything, and I myself have my own feelings of where any and all of his intent is. Does it come from some hatred for women? No I don't believe so. Does it come from some hatred against homosexuals? No, I don't believe so. Does it comes from some hatred for African Americans? Nope, still not believing so everyone.......

In "real life" I know quite a lot of people like Dick (wasn't lying when I said I can be/am quite evil myself) and they are actually the least racist/sexist people I know of and therefore are able to speak freely and say what they do because they don't harbor any hatred for any such beings.

I know tons of you will read this in utter disbelief and shake your heads while muttering "bless her heart", but as I said, I cover all 3 bases that Dick allegedly despises, and I feel no such thing.

Jameka being that honorable is what I disagree with as well. I recall plenty of people feeling outraged at her initial speech of "being uncomfortable being around all these wghite people".

I hear many black people (my family included) state that had a white person uttered "I'm not comfortable around all these black people" the NAACP would be picketing BB8 as we speak. And that is so true........

Is that not a form of racism? Is it alright for Kameka to say because she is black? I don't think so, not in my opinion no. And I agree, had a white person made that comment, Lord help us from the shitstorm that would have landed at BB8's steps.

But yet, people insist she is an honorable person and the likes of Dick mark racism. Interesting double standard unfolding........

We alllearn she did in fact take the deal by Dick, yet suddenly it's alright because she never really had to follow through with said deal. And? How does that make it any less of a dishonorable thing to do? Simply because she wasn't given the opportunity to follow through with it? And if she had being given the chance? Reagardless of what she chose to do (stick to the deal or blow it off in a screw you gesture to D&D) wouldn't either choice be dishonest no matter how you look at it?

I find it interesting how people vilify some and not others. What makes one the devil himself while another's halo get's crowned. This game calls for deceit and all of us that are not naive knows this. Hence why I think no less of Jameka nor do I Dick.

People need to be measured with the same ruler, not based on what caters to them and their issues. Because by all standards, I should hate the man no? I do not, nor do I hate Jameka. They are all doung what needs to be done in order to win a television sho's grand prize.

I've put my stones down against all the HG's regardless of whom I personally fabor or not, as I have no right flinging them.

Alida

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Tella said...

Thanks to both Anon @ 10.32 and Alida... I very much enjoyed the way you argued your points. Very sound.

I love this board more than others because it has been more civil in general. I check out Joker's for addtl. clips etc... but that is more like a 'fast food' joint. Not as good nor filling. I have checked out some other sites, incl. CBS BB8 and that message board is just horrid. I wonder were people lost their common sense or what turnip truck they came in on. So much hate and vitriol directed at people most of us do not know. But I guess it's human.

I have really disliked things in the house... never hated. One thing is for sure however...

I'm a BB addict... still to miss one episode. I love the interactions between the various people and unlike Stepford Wives... I like when they are raw and real and less PC... it is a science/social experiment of sorts. Would love more of a cultural mix in people... not colors, but culture. Colors for me just show the surface of one's skin. I am an addict like Trekkers are what they are. Granted, I may not walk around with a light saber a la Howie... but may curse and spit as I kindly help an old lady across the street while being whistled at by some construction worker and either smile and say Thanks or Give him a finger sign depending on my mood for the moment. Years back, in the beginning of reality shows... I did one of these things... and to this day I can look at the end result and say "Did I really say that on national TV" while laugh at my youthful somewhat naive self. It's TV. It's not real. I even remember being cast for a Love Connection episode... but when they told me that I was going on a "bad" date... (sorry to upset those who think it was by accident... it's very scripted... with somebody polar opposite of me) I backed out because I did not want to be trashing somebody on TV where editing was in charge and not me. At least on BB... there is always the Live Feed to refer to.

I love being a complex creature and therefore I love watching people that are the same. I would not appreciate a BB where people walk around like robots and smile graciously to someone's face and then turn around and talk behind one's back.

What to do now... when it's almost over? No other reality show gets one as involved on an emotional level... because we don't ge to see the unedited version.

Anyway, have a majestic kind of day... enjoy it. Tomorrow may never come.

Peace out!

PS. CAROLYN... I am sure you were/are tired today. ;-)

1:53 PM  
Blogger joy said...

Here's my take on the "mighty white" comment, since I grew up with it. The term "white" in that comment has more to do with the ideology of the western era in that the "good guys" always wore white, and not with skin color or race. Telling someone that they are "mighty white" in reference to some action they took or something they said is telling that person that you think they are a good person for doing or saying what you did.

I hope that clears it up for y'all. Those of us raised around this sort of thing don't think anything of it because it had no bad connotation to begin with.

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joy-

Being that you are not the first person that has written that here, and that I am sure it is a widely held belief by those who perpetuate the use of this phrase or simply grew up around it, and that I cannot sleep and found myself wandering back here (-_-) Zzzz,... I just looked up the origin.
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"This idiom is generally assumed to have originated in the southern United States in the late 19th or early 20th century, although the earliest examples in print were not Southern in origin at all. Apparently, it gained some currency in the rest of the US as well as the UK by the 1930s, and is now considered somewhat antiquated.
"Mighty white of you" is a controversial piece of slang nowadays, as it was originally intended as a genuine compliment that was not at all sardonic.

Like many of our adjectives for color, the word "white" is imbued with deep emotional, moral, and social connotations. White implies purity, virtue, and favor. It has also long been synonymous with (and in common usage, has now supplanted) the laughably inaccurate Caucasian racial classification. In the late 19th century, the word white also began to represent the notion of honorability, fairness and an upright attitude; a definition which, in Merriam-Webster's awkward phrasing, is derived "from the former stereotypical association of good character with northern European descent." In other words, the phrase "mighty white of you" is decidedly racist in origin.

Despite the widely accepted assertion that the phrase originated in the southern US, according to the Oxford English Dictionary the first usage of the word white with this meaning was in the 1877 novel Golden Butterfly by Walter Besant and James Rice (both British), referring in a highly complimentary fashion to "as white a man as I ever knew." In 1893, the short story "Benefits Forgot," set in Colorado and penned by New Yorker Wolcott Balestier, made wholly non-ironic use of the sentence, "That's deuced white of you." Edith Wharton, born in New York and eventually a permanent resident of Paris, uses the earnest compliment, "Well - this is white of you," in her 1913 novel The Custom of the Country. The earliest example of the specific phrase "mighty white of you" was published in 1916 in a letter to the Chicago Tribune, in which the Midwestern author professes sincere gratitude." -- http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1895020
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Eric Partridge's 1977 "A Dictionary of Catch Phrases American and British" states that the phrase means "like a white man, not like a Negro."

I hope this clears up the phrase's original intended use. As I implied before, I do not think /most/ people, that use this phrase, do it with the knowledge or awareness of its origin.
It is, more or less, a cultural hiccup or verbal regurgitaion, and people have attached their own interpretations. That does not, however, negate or dismantle the fact that the phrase once bore (and, undoubtedly, still does for many) racist connotations.

Btw, I was spawned and mostly raised in the South, as well. (Texas)
People say all sorts of things that have negative or derogatory undertones, without giving it a second thought. Some things become so integrated or interwoven, into the fiber of a culture, that they go unnoticed/unquestioned/unexamined.

Perhaps, from time to time, a second thought is in order.

1:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 1:14 a.m.
You make great arguments, did very good research and approach the whole discussion with clarity.

I would say that your views are however Western culture centric, namely the association of colours with attributes. For example, in China white is associated with mourning, death, etc. White being the symbol of purity is based on a Western view of the whole world. We live in a global world, cutures are mingling, traditions are being challenged. Old catchphrases and expressions do not resonate with everyone the same way.

I was born in Africa, grew up in Europe and have been living in North America for over 15 years.
I never heard that expression before and trying to keep an open mind and avoid prejudging and deductive reasoning as you suggested earlier, I asked for clarity.
Thank you for sharing your insights.

The question remains as I said all along - did Zach mean to use a racial slur intentionally to demean Jameka? Does this indicate that he is a racist?
If Zach used the expression with no intent to be racist, does that still make him a racist?

On the other hand, lots of people on this blog has defended ED' constant insults at various groups, arguing that using such insults, racist or anti-women, etc does not make someone a racist or anti women as along as it is for winning the game.

Does startegic intent trump other considerations? So, can someone use sexist or racist slur and not be a sexist or racist?

What do you think?

P.S. Thanks to Carolyn for providing this space to engage in such important discussions and making the human connections.

8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all of you who think Zach's "mighty white" comment means something other than what we all know he meant, my question to is this: Why the heck did he aplogize to Jameka outside saying the he's from a town with that type of mentality? Hmmmmmmmm......

8:34 AM  

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